relevant answer by Arthur Miller at around 1:45 to 2:00 into tape 3.
I always felt that "Jews for Jesus" was a contradiction in terms as is Christian Deist.
There is no such thing as a Christian Deist...unless you want to invent your own reality which is what Christianity is...invented reality.
Howdy Rev! For a short time, I participated in one of the Deistic yahoo groups - I didn't stick around for long, because there was a definite trend of monotheistic deism within that group. There were too many similarities to a Christian take on good and evil, morality, cosmology and origins. I didn't know enough about Deism to recognize whether this was typical of Deists, and only now am I gathering (based upon responses by yourself and Tpaine) that it's not. In retrospect, I guess I could call them Christian Deists, so maybe the OP who posed this question was part of these groups, or perhaps this group reflects a trend of wishful thinking Deists who are really theists that want to appear more rational than they are.
I'm quite fascinated by all the "blended religions" cropping up in the last 10 years; Cafeteria Catholics and moderate Muslims just may be onto something. A quick gander around Bnet and you'll find Christian Pagans, Messianic Jews, Pagan Unitarian Universalists, Taoist Christians, the spiritual but not religions, etc. I actually think this is a measure of progress in that these are stepping stones for everyone finding their own brand of spirituality (or not) as they see fit. :)
Kind regards,
--- agnosticspirit
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[QUOTE=BeliefnetCheryl;496]Here's a topic from the old Deism board for further discussion:
MarkStephen
I would like to ask all Deists who are former Christians, what made you decide to leave the Christian faith?
I ask this not because I want to proselyze or talk anyone in to coming back to Christianity. I ask because I am genuinely interested. You have my respect while not necessarily my agreement.[/QUOTE]
Wow! It's nice to know that my old posts were brought back for further discussion. Mark
The short anwer is that I got hurt in a religion where I was comfortable before. That event pushed me out of my comfort zone, and forced me for the first time to look, study and evaluate what and why I believed what I did.
With that came confusion, as I nailed down what was truth and what was just lies disguised as "Revealed Religion".
In the end when I penned down what I could accept as being Truth, Objective Truth, it was the basic principals of Deism.
The short anwer is that I got hurt in a religion where I was comfortable before. That event pushed me out of my comfort zone, and forced me for the first time to look, study and evaluate what and why I believed what I did.
With that came confusion, as I nailed down what was truth and what was just lies disguised as "Revealed Religion".
In the end when I penned down what I could accept as being Truth, Objective Truth, it was the basic principals of Deism.
So, here I am!
Bear_Claw
A very, very familiar story. Welcome. Look far and wide. No one in Deism will tell you what you must think. If they do, run away, fast.
Sample heavily and broadly. There is a ton of information out there. Read the classics: Paine, Allen, Palmer, etc. Hit all the top sites that show up on a Web search (except the Temple of Reason). You'll find plenty of information on what Deists don't believe. Take time to find out what Deists DO believe.
Deism is probably more about WHY we believe as we do than WHAT we believe. If you can figure out WHY you are a Deist, you will figure the rest out for yourself just fine.
A very, very familiar story. Welcome. Look far and wide. No one in Deism will tell you what you must think. If they do, run away, fast.
Sample heavily and broadly. There is a ton of information out there. Read the classics: Paine, Allen, Palmer, etc. Hit all the top sites that show up on a Web search (except the Temple of Reason). You'll find plenty of information on what Deists don't believe. Take time to find out what Deists DO believe.
Deism is probably more about WHY we believe as we do than WHAT we believe. If you can figure out WHY you are a Deist, you will figure the rest out for yourself just fine.
Again, Welcome
Thank you for the kind words and advice! :) BearClaw
My shift from Christianity occurred after realizing how silly it is to ask God for things in prayer. "God helps those who help themselves" after all. Add that into a slow study and respect for other religions (and eventual dismissal of their actual individuality), an understanding of human nature and political motivation, a questioning of my motivation for "believing" after the death of my father (as he and my mother were really the only reason I was exposed to Christianity so early), an experience as a member of the anti-cult ministries division as a Christian, and a deep interest and involvement in the sciences and voilà! Logic overtakes pragmatic exposure!
My shift from Christianity occurred after realizing how silly it is to ask God for things in prayer. "God helps those who help themselves" after all. Add that into a slow study and respect for other religions (and eventual dismissal of their actual individuality), an understanding of human nature and political motivation, a questioning of my motivation for "believing" after the death of my father (as he and my mother were really the only reason I was exposed to Christianity so early), an experience as a member of the anti-cult ministries division as a Christian, and a deep interest and involvement in the sciences and voilà! Logic overtakes pragmatic exposure!
I'm currently going to assume I'm a Deist (at least of some flavor) until someone decides to bill me otherwise.
Im not realy a deist i have a christian background but i admit that i only pray when i despretly need something. I think prayer is kind of superstitous and I dout that it works but i use it during times of emergency of the "just in case it works" philosophy. I am a strong believer in God but put off by the fundementalist movement as they deny evolution, homosexuality, and other things. I like having fellowship with people and i use the church as sorta a way to mingle with people.
since i wrote this post...i decided that i have become a deist. The reason is even though i like the jw religion in which i am studying they dont believe in evolution. I think as a diest one can be free to believe in both ID and evolution. Also the jws require people to give up thier lives by refusing blood. I do almost resinate with the idea that God is sitting back while satan rules the world. To me the JW GOd is almost like the deist God and for that reason i decided I am now a diest.
I was hurt realy badly by the chirsitan belief of faith healing.
I learned that the Christian religious beliefs including alot of information from Jesus stems from pagan beliefs and other religions so its not original.