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Switch to Forum Live View Does Luke 1:32,33 tie in at all with Isaiah 9:6,7 and Daniel 2:44?
2 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2015 - 7:57AM #1
Brainscramble
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Do these three scriptures have any commonality together? 

Luke 1:32,33:

"He [Jesus] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David; and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and his Kingdom will have no end." (NASB)


Isaiah 9:6,7:


"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on his shoulders; ...there will be no end to the increase of his government or of peace, on the throne of David and over his kingdom."  (NASB)


Daniel 2:44:


"In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed....It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever." (NASB)


To our almighty God and Father (of Christ and ourselves):  "Show them you alone are JEHOVAH, the Most High over all the earth."  (Psalm 83:18)
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2015 - 9:49AM #2
Rgurley4
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Q: Do these three scriptures have any commonality together? 


A: Yes. All refer to the Power and Sovreignty of the TRI-UNE GOD to rule over the final and eternal heavenly realms: The NEW Heaven+Earth+Jerusalem. None refer to an earthly realm or rule.


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2 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2015 - 9:57AM #3
Rgurley4
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kingdom...Hebrew 4467...mamlakah...dominion, reign, sovereignty



kingdom...Hebrew 4410...meluwkah...kingship, royalty, kingly office



kingdom...Hebrew 4437... malkuw (Aramaic)...royalty, kingship, kingly authority



the kingdom...Greek 932...basileia...I.royal power, kingship, dominion, rule
A.not to be confused with an actual kingdom but rather the right or authority to rule over a kingdom
B.of the royal power of Jesus as THE triumphant Messiah


Matthew 6:10
Your kingdom (has?) come.
Your will be (is certain to be) done,
On earth as it is in heaven.


Matthew  10:7...“And as you go, preach, saying,
‘The kingdom of heaven (kingdom of God) is at hand.' (Jesus the Divine Messaiah has COME!)

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2015 - 11:16AM #4
Utilyan
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I think the focus of the will being done on earth AS IT IS DONE in heaven.   Is worth contemplation.


Does heaven have its own 2nd heaven with rulers ruling it from above?


How it gets done in heaven,  is how it gets done here on earth.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2015 - 8:26PM #5
Brainscramble
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Oct 15, 2015 -- 9:49AM, Rgurley4 wrote:


Q: Do these three scriptures have any commonality together? 


A: Yes. All refer to the Power and Sovreignty of the TRI-UNE GOD to rule over the final and eternal heavenly realms: The NEW Heaven+Earth+Jerusalem. None refer to an earthly realm or rule.





Then what does this scripture mean when it speaks of the earth?:



"The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child will put his hand on the viper's den.  They will not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea." (Isaiah 11:8,9, NASB)




And this one?:





"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Ziion!  Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem!  Behold, your king is coming to you; he is just and endowed with salvation, humble and mounted on a donkey, even on a colt, the foal of a donkey. [Jesus, if I understand correctly.]  I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim and the horse from Jerusalem; and the bow of war will be cut off [when Jesus rules, right?].  And he will speak peace to the nations; and his dominion will be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth." (Zechariah 9:9,10, NASB)



That looks to me like Jesus will be ruling over the earth.



And what comment do you have about this one?:



"For evildoers will be cut off, but those who wait for the LORD, they will inherit the LAND....The humble will inherit the LAND and will delight themselves in abundant prosperity." (Psalm 37:9,11, NASB)




No earthly realm involved???



To our almighty God and Father (of Christ and ourselves):  "Show them you alone are JEHOVAH, the Most High over all the earth."  (Psalm 83:18)
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2015 - 11:02PM #6
Rgurley4
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Look up the NASB Hebrew and Greek meanings of the word "earth". Just like your views on "kingdom" and NT "Jehovah", you are incorrect.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2015 - 8:20AM #7
Brainscramble
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Oct 15, 2015 -- 11:02PM, Rgurley4 wrote:


Look up the NASB Hebrew and Greek meanings of the word "earth". Just like your views on "kingdom" and NT "Jehovah", you are incorrect.




Look at what the scriptures I cited are saying, clearly, and in context.



To our almighty God and Father (of Christ and ourselves):  "Show them you alone are JEHOVAH, the Most High over all the earth."  (Psalm 83:18)
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 17, 2015 - 11:16PM #8
Eliascomes
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Oct 15, 2015 -- 7:57AM, Brainscramble wrote:


Do these three scriptures have any commonality together? 

Luke 1:32,33:

"He [Jesus] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David; and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and his Kingdom will have no end." (NASB)


Isaiah 9:6,7:


"For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on his shoulders; ...there will be no end to the increase of his government or of peace, on the throne of David and over his kingdom."  (NASB)


Daniel 2:44:


"In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed....It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever." (NASB)






 All through the scriptures has symbolic meanings. The symbolic meaning of something is the spiritual essence of that someone or something.



Genesis 37:3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons, because he had been born to him in his old age; and he made an ornate robe for him.



Genesis 37:23 So when Joseph came to his brothers, they stripped him of his robe—the ornate robe he was wearing—



Genesis 37:31 Then they got Joseph’s robe, slaughtered a goat and dipped the robe in the blood.



Matthew 27:31 After they had mocked him, they took off the robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him away to crucify him.



Revelation 7:14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 18, 2015 - 10:31PM #9
Rgurley4
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It's AWESOME that an unnumbered multitude of believing people will not have go through the 3.5 years of  "Great Tribulation" described in Matthew 24. At the Second Coming, the "church" and God the Holy Spirit will be removed, leaving only the wicked and undecided behind. After a brief 1000 year actual reign by Jesus in Jerusalem for judgment of the believers works and the 12 tribes of Isreal, the then unnecessary planet earth which will be destroyed by fire, ushering in the promise of a final and eternal NEW Heavens+Earth+Jerusalem.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2015 - 10:37PM #10
Brainscramble
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The planet will always be here, as I have shown many times.  Peter was speaking metaphorically of the "heavens and the earth" being destroyed.  Those "heavens" mean the governmental ruling powers of men, and the "earth" is the world of evil mankind.  This is clear if one takes into consideration that Jesus said the end of the "world" will be just like in Noah's day, and also that Peter compared the end of this world with Noah's day.  What was destroyed in Noah's day?  "The ungodly men."  And the same will happen at Armageddon.  Ungodly people will be gone, and the righteously disposed will remain on the planet and bring it back to what Jehovah purposed in the beginning when He made Adam and Eve.




"For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah....and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matthew 24:37, NASB)


(Was the literal planet destroyed then?  NO.)




"The world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water." (2 Peter 3:6, NASB)


(But the planet was NOT destroyed, was it?  No.  What was destroyed?  Peter answers that, following.)




"But by his word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:7, NASB)


(The planet was not destroyed in Noah's day.  Just the ungodly people.  The planet will not be destroyed when Jesus comes.  Just the ungodly people.)



To our almighty God and Father (of Christ and ourselves):  "Show them you alone are JEHOVAH, the Most High over all the earth."  (Psalm 83:18)
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