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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 7:32AM #1
Daldianus
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Or do they simply long for eternal punishment in Hell?
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 7:40AM #2
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maybe, they are in denial?

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 7:42AM #3
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Jul 30, 2012 -- 7:40AM, davelaw40 wrote:

maybe, they are in denial?



In denial of what?

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 7:49AM #4
davelaw40
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of your proposals



need a savior


bound for Hell

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 9:46AM #5
Daldianus
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Jul 30, 2012 -- 7:49AM, davelaw40 wrote:


of your proposals


need a savior


bound for Hell



And being in denial of those things is a conscious act?

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 9:57AM #6
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In my opinion, it's a fool who would take their chances in court with the Bible's God. The process is very thorough; with no plea bargaining nor leniency for first time offenders; no mitigating circumstances; no time off for good behavior nor possibility of parole-- and the scales of justice have to balance: eye for eye, tooth for tooth, bone for bone, skin for skin, injustice for injustice, abuse for abuse, burning for burning, bruise for bruise, dollar for dollar, curse for curse, etc: even every thoughtless word that men speak will be weighed in the balances; not just their serious words. People will even be punished for all the things they did in private when they thought no one was looking. And every transgression will receive a fair and equitable amount of retribution.


Let me give you a rough idea of just how bad it's really going to be.


Supposing the penalty for a lie is 5 lashes and the accused has 200 counts of lying against them. That means that each count will receive 5 lashes, adding up to 1,000 lashes for those 200 lies. But that's only the beginning.


Suppose the penalty for using God's name in profanity is 30 lashes, and that same offender's lifetime accumulation is 500 counts of blasphemy; which isn't an unreasonable number of counts for someone who lived to be sixty or seventy. They would be given 30 lashes for each of those 500 counts; adding up to 15,000 lashes on top of the 1,000 they already received for 200 lies.


But then supposing the penalty for defamation of character is 15 lashes and that same offender, over the years-- via gossip, demeaning comments, subjective judgment calls, arbitrary accusations, rumor mongering, kangaroo-court convictions, and false accusations --impugned innocent reputations a total of 85 times. They would receive 15 lashes for each count, adding up to a total of 1,275 lashes. So then, for just those three sins alone, that one offender would be given a grand total of 17,275 lashes.


It gets worse. Offenders who knew at the time that what they were doing was wrong, will be punished much more severely than those who did so uninformed.


In reality then, long life can be a curse rather than a blessing, and for some people, it would have been far better if they had died as a child than to face God as a senior citizen. By the time the condemned are carried out of the Bible God's courtroom to be discarded still alive into the reservoir of flaming liquid depicted at Rev 20:10-15, they will look as though they were dragged through a field of concertina wire and then dropped into a cotton gin.


It's very likely then that many will not only have their flesh flayed open; but suffer a number of broken bones, paralysis, blindness, deafness, and loss of their capacity to speak intelligibly; because for some offenses, it takes way more than a whipping to set things right.


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 10:02AM #7
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Cliff


I think you've unwittingly answered the the question in the OP title. Good for you.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 10:02AM #8
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Jul 30, 2012 -- 10:02AM, 3neez wrote:


Cliff


I think you've unwittingly answered the the question in the OP title. Good for you.



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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 10:04AM #9
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Jul 30, 2012 -- 9:57AM, weberhome02 wrote:

In my opinion, it's a fool who would take their chances in court with the Bible's God.



So one should do what BibleGod commands (according to a certain old book) just to be safe?


But people who do not take that threat seriously, what are they? Stupid? Ignorant? Masochistic?

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2012 - 11:06AM #10
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Jul 30, 2012 -- 7:49AM, davelaw40 wrote:


of your proposals



need a savior


bound for Hell




Why would someone think we need a savior?  Or believe that a hell exists as a default destination for anyone?  Both concepts are quite implausible literally, and nothing we experience in reality suggests they are true at face value.  It is only Christianity that promotes the "truth" of these ideas, and that itself is no basis to go along with it.


We can also see how the Jewish idea of savior was adopted and changed by Christians, so even the historic time line sees this notion as being limited to one religion of many.  Even islam, which is an offshoot of Christianity, does not use the idea of savior in Jesus.

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