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12 months ago  ::  Jun 26, 2012 - 5:16PM #21
mainecaptain
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A number of theists call themselves sheep. They need to be bossed around. I don't get it myself.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2012 - 5:29PM #22
chevy956
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Jun 26, 2012 -- 5:16PM, mainecaptain wrote:



A number of theists call themselves sheep. They need to be bossed around. I don't get it myself.



You have to wonder what type of annoying sociopaths some of these peole were BEFORE they discovered whatever "manifestation of god" they are shilling, whether Jesus, or someone else.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2012 - 7:06PM #23
wohali
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Steven, so you'd be nice to Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson or that dipswitch Ray Comfort?
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2012 - 9:53PM #24
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Jun 27, 2012 -- 7:06PM, wohali wrote:


Steven, so you'd be nice to Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson or that dipswitch Ray Comfort?




(smile on my face) You got me there! I have to admit that these chaps are permanently off my guest list. Ray Comfort strikes me as a bit of a fool. Isn't he the bent banana man?
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 27, 2012 - 10:48PM #25
mountain_man
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Jun 27, 2012 -- 9:53PM, steven_guy wrote:

(smile on my face) You got me there! I have to admit that these chaps are permanently off my guest list. Ray Comfort strikes me as a bit of a fool. Isn't he the bent banana man?


It's not the bend, although he probably finds that rather phallic. It's the five sides that fits so perfectly in your hand that it had to be created by a god. Listening to those guys for only a few minutes you can tell that they have serious psychological problems. I pity them and have to question the sanity of their followers.

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I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 2:17AM #26
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Personally, I am equally as skeptical of "teachings" from Buddha as I am the "teachings" of any of the others. I would wager that the vast majority of atheists and secular humanists are as well. Being skeptical is not the same as automatic rejection; many opinions attributed to Buddha are perfectly reasonable, just as are some of the opinions attributed to Jesus, but agreement with some of their ideas is not the same as automatic acceptance of their entire philosophies.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 4:21AM #27
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Jun 28, 2012 -- 2:55AM, Aka_me wrote:

"automatic acceptance" aside, would you add that there just isn't any reason or motivation or need to embrace ANY of "those philosophies"?




No, I certainly would not say that.  Being skeptical does not mean having no philosophy of one's own.  Skepticism isn't a code-word for nihilism.  It doesn't mean shunning organizations or ways of life.  It doesn't mean thinking that one has no need for such things.


One doesn't need to believe that something is "absolute truth" (as if it were declared by a divine prophet) in order to draw philosophical conclusions and have convictions regarding those conclusions.  Being a skeptic simply means wanting to know that any beliefs have some sort of convincing justification.  One can easily be a skeptic and a secular humanist, for instance, if one finds secular humanism convincing according to skeptical standards.


 


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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 11:43AM #28
wohali
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Yes Steven, Ray Comfort is the Auzzie who claims that the calabash banana is proof of his version of god. 
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 12:44PM #29
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Jun 27, 2012 -- 7:06PM, wohali wrote:


Steven, so you'd be nice to Fred Phelps, Pat Robertson or that dipswitch Ray Comfort?




Well, consider that they are Christians, and Christians think you should treat others the way you want to be treated yourself.


If this is the case, there is clear evidence that those gentlemen want to be treated badly, so why not oblige them?

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 28, 2012 - 6:59PM #30
chevy956
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AKA said:"what I'm talking about is the skeptic secular humanist having desire/need/intention to identify themselves as a member of a group other than Secular Humanism (take your pick: Falun Gong, Confucian, Deist, or Buddhist)."


">>>And you still don't know what the **** you are talking about. Nothing says that a secular humanist can't identify as a member of another philosophy."


being skeptic... by definition, overrides any "need to identify" with a philosophical ideology.


>>>No, it overrides any need for believing in theistic woo-hoo of any type. It has been explained to you elsewhere that there is such a thing as secular Buddhism. The fact that you choose to ignore what you have been told is your problem, not that of Secular Humanists, Secular Buddhists or anyone else.


       Besides- you are a Baha'i'- why does this concern you so much, unless you are trying to continue to lie about Buddhists and atheists?
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