Jun 28, 2012 -- 3:39PM, Newtonian wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 2:41PM, mrjordan wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 2:14PM, woodzz wrote:

Mr J, I guess you think if you bring in enough unrelated topics you won't have to deal with the truth of what I posted. 

Are you even a JW? 

If you are, you should know your teaching is that Jesus, the Master of Matthew 24:45, returned in 1914 and inspected what the slave was serving in the way of teachings at that time and chose your group as that faithful slave.  Don't you even know that is why you refer to your leaders as the "faithful slave"?  You teach that Jesus then appointed that 'slave' over all his belongings: printing presses, publications, buildings and other sheep.

If you're going to post here as a JW, at least get their teachings correct!

Woodzz

 

Um yes I am aware why they are called the faithful slave. And yes they are appointed over all of God belongings on earth. But what I think you seem to think is that the 144,000 is sealed.  That all of Matthew chapter 24 is fulfilled. That the judgement of the 144,000 that are still left on earth today is complete. That is not true. I am assuming you are either reading old information or mis-reading it.

Mr. Jordan - Hi! Weird woodzz doubts you are my brother - even wierder is her again getting our beliefs wrong but assuming she has our beliefs right and that you have them wrong!

Of course, you have our beliefs correct.

As I have quoted - many are called, few are chosen! (Matthew 22:14)  That was true of literal Israel compared with spiritual Israel, for example.

Hey Newt! I'm off work today so I get to post to my hearts content! YAY!

I'm trying to get bring Woodzz up to date. I'm afraid I'm not doing a good job at it. I think Ann kind of understands but could be out of date as well.

My point is that if Matthew 24 has been fulfilled then we not be talking about any of this right now.

Jun 28, 2012 -- 4:17PM, mrjordan wrote:

My point is that if Matthew 24 has been fulfilled then we not be talking about any of this right now.

You actually DO teach that most of Matthew 24 has been fulfilled.

You certainly DO teach that these verses have been and they are the ones you know I was talking about.  Stop being dishonest!

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings......On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

Woodzz

Jun 28, 2012 -- 4:31PM, woodzz wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 4:17PM, mrjordan wrote:

My point is that if Matthew 24 has been fulfilled then we not be talking about any of this right now.

You actually DO teach that most of Matthew 24 has been fulfilled.

You certainly DO teach that these verses have been and they are the ones you know I was talking about.  Stop being dishonest!

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings......On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

Woodzz

Well Woodzz, it appears that your mind is made up. Not only have I tried to tell you that Matthew 24 has not been fulfilled but Newt has attempted to convince you as well. I guess I could get 1000 more Witnesses to say the same thing but I fear it would not help. Please, ask Jehovah for direction. Sincerely ask Him for direction, he will not steer you to the wrong place.

Jun 28, 2012 -- 5:04PM, mrjordan wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 4:31PM, woodzz wrote:

Jun 28, 2012 -- 4:17PM, mrjordan wrote:

My point is that if Matthew 24 has been fulfilled then we not be talking about any of this right now.

You actually DO teach that most of Matthew 24 has been fulfilled.

You certainly DO teach that these verses have been and they are the ones you know I was talking about.  Stop being dishonest!

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings......On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

Woodzz

Well Woodzz, it appears that your mind is made up. Not only have I tried to tell you that Matthew 24 has not been fulfilled but Newt has attempted to convince you as well. I guess I could get 1000 more Witnesses to say the same thing but I fear it would not help. Please, ask Jehovah for direction. Sincerely ask Him for direction, he will not steer you to the wrong place.

Yes, Mr. Jordan - we most certainly do NOT believe Matthew 24 is totally fulfilled.   Woodzz is likely distorting our beliefs - knowingly or unknowingly (not for us to judge) - by mixing up the fact that we are living during the parousia (presence) of Jesus, with the fact that the coming (Greek erchomai) of Jesus at Armageddon is still future.   

I.e. she does not understand the 3 part question in Matthew 24:3 which chapters 24 and 25 answer.

The syntelia (end/conclusion) of the kosmos (system of things; KJV: world) is NOT the same as the presence (Gr. parousia) of Jesus.   Thus we have seen the beginning of pangs of distress as at Matthew 24:7, but not the end of those pangs of distress at the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21).

Frankly, I have no idea where Woodzz is getting her inaccurate appraisal of our beliefs - but she is sure way off!

Of course, the faithful slave is still giving food at the proper time (Matthew 24:45-47) - and I think Woodzz still fails to realize that Matthew 24:3 is also asking about the first century fulfillment, when the faithful slave was first appointed!

See the 6/15/09 Watchtower, p. 22 confirming the slave was appointed at Pentecost 33 CE.

This was right after they entertained two incorrect understandings - that the Kingdom would be with fleshly Israel rather than heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22) including the New Jerusalem (Revelation 21) - and also getting the timing wrong - just as the slave has done since - though at least we knew more than they did - food at the proper time!

(Acts 1:6, 7) When, now, they had assembled, they went asking him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” 7 He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction;

Jun 28, 2012 -- 6:21PM, woodzz wrote:

Mr J,

You do indeed teach that most of Matthew 24 has been fulfilled already, and you most certainly teach that the following verses of Matthew 24 were fulfilled in 1914. However, since you and Newt are determined to be dishonest about this, there's no further point in discussing it.

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings......On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

 

Woodzz

Sorry Woodzz you are acting alone here. No Witness believes what you are saying.