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2 years ago  ::  Jun 12, 2012 - 10:42AM #1
gangajal
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Does the Karma theory make people insensitive to suffering?

Some people say that. They say that since according to the Karma theory a person suffers due to his own bad karma, therefore people who believe in the Karma theory do not help persons who suffer. What do you all think about this criticism of the Karma theory.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 12, 2012 - 2:14PM #2
Jm8
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Only when misinterpreted. Excerpted from the writings of Bhakti Ananda Goswami:

The doctrine of reincarnation or karma should never be used perversely to modify culpability or excuse sins and crimes and thus subvert dharma. Past-life ‘karma' does not nullify the existence of present law, dharma or justice.
Due to impersonalism and related abuse of the doctrine of karma, dharma has been neglected. Impersonal traditions like Mayavada, Jainism and Theravadin Buddhism have corrupted the doctrines of karma and dharma, leading to a kind of pacifism that causes the victims of adharmic demonic behavior to accept demonic attack and abuse without resistance, revolt or requiring restitution.
The role of the dharma protector, and even the clear sense of dharma itself, has been lost in the impersonalist corruption of the doctrine of karma.


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"Hear, Sanatana! Kindness to all living beings, taste for the holy name, and service to Vaisnavas - apart from these there is no other dharma." (attributed to Lord Caitanya, often quoted or alluded to by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, e.g. in Caitanya Bhagavata Adi Khanda 1.1 purport)


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 12, 2012 - 3:28PM #3
williejhonlo
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Telling someone that they are suffering from bad karma is in a sense helping them if they are intelligent enough to understand. Karma basically means that your actions carry with them consequences, is not wisdom itself based on karma?


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 12:24PM #4
gangajal
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The very fact that there are so many Hindu organizations that are serving poor and disadvantaged people shows up the mistake of the critics of the Karma theory.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 2:58PM #5
williejhonlo
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People who criticize karma generally don't believe that there is an eternal soul that transmigrates through different material bodies. Karma just isn't an eastern concept, Edgar Cayce helped a lot of people with phobias through past life regression, he believed in karma.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 3:56AM #6
Jm8
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g: The critics will say that this is only a modern reaction to Christian missions.
Traditionally there didn't have to be any organizations to help disadvantaged persons since they were taken care of by their family and village.

w: Karma is also in the Bible. See links for 'krima' or 'krino' in

www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/dharm...


Hare Krsna
Your servant, bh. Jan

www.vrindavan-dham.com
www.veda.harekrsna.cz

jIve dayA nAme ruci vaiSNava sevana
IhA chArA dharma nAhi zuna sanAtana

"Hear, Sanatana! Kindness to all living beings, taste for the holy name, and service to Vaisnavas - apart from these there is no other dharma." (attributed to Lord Caitanya, often quoted or alluded to by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, e.g. in Caitanya Bhagavata Adi Khanda 1.1 purport)

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 15, 2012 - 12:19PM #7
gangajal
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Jm8,


   Yes, critics do say that. They are not right. Ramakrishna Mission's service is derived from Ramakrishna's teaching: Siva Jnane Jiva seva (service to Jivas by considering Jivas as Siva) and not because of Christian missions.


    The point I tried to make is slightly different. It would have been very difficult to even found Hindu organizations if Karma theory makes people insensitive to suffering.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2012 - 7:29AM #8
Jm8
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One could reply that Ramakrishna M doesn't predate Christian M in India which could be seen as its, at least indirect, inspiration.

Btw, would you know who created the slogan "madhava seva - manava seva"? I have so far two contestants:

Samartha Ramdas: www.dharmakshetra.org.in/ashadi-10/ramda...
Gandhi: bala99.hubpages.com/hub/Mahatma-Gandhi-s...


Hare Krsna
Your servant, bh. Jan

www.vrindavan-dham.com
www.veda.harekrsna.cz

jIve dayA nAme ruci vaiSNava sevana
IhA chArA dharma nAhi zuna sanAtana

"Hear, Sanatana! Kindness to all living beings, taste for the holy name, and service to Vaisnavas - apart from these there is no other dharma." (attributed to Lord Caitanya, often quoted or alluded to by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, e.g. in Caitanya Bhagavata Adi Khanda 1.1 purport)

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2012 - 12:27PM #9
gangajal
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One could but one can't. Ramakrishna strongly criticized the idea of doing charity to others. The very idea of charity implies that a superior person is doing favors to an inferior person. Ramakrishna says that we only have the right to serve others in the spirit of serving God. Service yes, Charity no.


I am unable to answer your question.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2012 - 4:40AM #10
Jm8
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> to serve others in the spirit of serving God

So he could be another contestant, given his advaita view.


Hare Krsna
Your servant, bh. Jan

www.vrindavan-dham.com
www.veda.harekrsna.cz

jIve dayA nAme ruci vaiSNava sevana
IhA chArA dharma nAhi zuna sanAtana

"Hear, Sanatana! Kindness to all living beings, taste for the holy name, and service to Vaisnavas - apart from these there is no other dharma." (attributed to Lord Caitanya, often quoted or alluded to by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, e.g. in Caitanya Bhagavata Adi Khanda 1.1 purport)

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