| 12 months ago :: Jun 10, 2012 - 11:46AM #1 | |
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Is it not correct to say that according to WT teaching Michael died twice, but was also recreated twice , first as flesh in the womb of Mary and when recreated as spirit?
The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men.No man,s opinion is expressed in the Watchtower WT 01/11 1931.P 327 If you believe that you will believe anything!
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 10, 2012 - 8:03PM #2 | |
Jesus only died once. There was only one death needed and that was the death of a perfect man to pay for Adam's sin. |
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 1:58AM #3 | |
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 4:03AM #4 | |
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He may have given up his life as a spirit to be born a human, but that doesn't mean JWs teach his life ceased altogether. It means he changed natures. Bible Teach chap. 4 p. 42 par. 14 Who Is Jesus Christ? He transferred the life of his firstborn Son from heaven to the womb of a Jewish virgin named Mary. Close To Jehovah chap. 14 p. 144 par. 13 Jehovah Provides “a Ransom in Exchange for Many” Willingly, God’s Son “emptied himself” of his heavenly nature. (Philippians 2:7) Miraculously, Jehovah transferred the life and the personality pattern of his firstborn heavenly Son to the womb of a Jewish virgin named Mary. (Luke 1:27, 35) Thus Jesus died only once - on the cross/stake. |
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 7:33AM #5 | |
I agree with you that it was Jesus who died once ! So when Michael,s life force were transfered to the womb of Mary what happened to Michael,s spirit body ? Please bear with me MJordan So whan Jesus was on the earth there was no connection between him as being Michael , correct?
The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men.No man,s opinion is expressed in the Watchtower WT 01/11 1931.P 327 If you believe that you will believe anything!
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 7:59AM #6 | |
Thanks Ann for the qoutes Son of God = Michael / Jesus So wheter he was Michael/Jesus it the son of God just different names , just different natures ? So what happened to teh spirit body of Michael when his life force was transfrered to te womb opf Mary?
The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men.No man,s opinion is expressed in the Watchtower WT 01/11 1931.P 327 If you believe that you will believe anything!
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 8:12AM #7 | |
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 9:39AM #8 | |
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Ok, so the holy spirit forced itself upon Mary and had a son named micheal but that really wasn't his name, it was jesus, then when jesus dies jesus no longer exist, but micheal still exist? Oy e vay, sounds like a really bad episode of Dallas. |
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 10:09AM #9 | |
Michael was a RECREATED spirit since Jesus body was dissolved into gasses but they dont want to tell me what happened to the original spirit body of Michael! I could have given them more credince if they would have admitted they teach almost something along the lines of reincarnation!
The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men.No man,s opinion is expressed in the Watchtower WT 01/11 1931.P 327 If you believe that you will believe anything!
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| 12 months ago :: Jun 11, 2012 - 10:44AM #10 | |
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I really like this question! I don't know of any scriptures that tells us what happened to Jesus spiritual body after he was sent to earth. That really is some food for thought though. As far as the bible says in 1 Corinthians 15:44, there is a spiritual body and physical/natural body. The bible also tells us in verse 50 that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God". So it appears that the physical/natural body cannot go into heaven, only a spiritual body can. It goes on to say in verse 51 and 52 "Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet." So some of those risen to heaven will not even die, however flesh and blood cannot go into heaven. So it would appear their physical bodies will be left behind. The bible says "in the twinkling of eye" perhaps as fast as we can blink, those going to heaven will be brought into heaven. Now that's fast. How does Jehovah do this? The bible gives no answers. Even if it did, I can only imagine a mathmatical equation that would stump us perhaps forever. So now lets think of Jesus when he came to earth. Did Jesus have a spiritual body before he was placed in the womb of mary? 1 Corinthians seems to say one either has a spiritual body or physical body. The chapter goes on to say that physical bodies cannot be in heaven. So, according to this Jesus must have had a spirtual body before he came to earth. Now what happened to Jesus spiritual body when he was sent to earth? He must have left it behind BUT did he as a "being" die? Really great questions! Because I have never thought about it before! The bible does not say anything about the spitiual body Jesus left behind. So for that, we may never know. If it was important than Jehovah will let us know. As for the second question, did he as "being" die? We only have one clue and that is 1 Corinthians 15:51,52 "Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet." So I guess the question is, does the way some those going into heaven "in the twinkling of an eye" without dying, work in reverse for Jesus being placed in Mary's womb? I have no idea if that is how it works. Very interesting question though! |
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