Conception to Birth?

newsjunkie

Posts: 5,567

May 31, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Adelphe wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 4:34PM, 57 wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 4:01PM, newsjunkie wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 3:23PM, davelaw40 wrote:

"Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny"?

recapitulation theory has been totally discredited

You might be interested in the "Your Inner Fish" book, too. It has nothing to do with "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny."

I once saw a show n TV where a hypnosis took people back to their iner fish....he had them flopping around on the stage like a fish just hauled in on the floor of a boat. What a joke.

Do tell us why we should read such nonsense.

"Inner fish"

can't

stop

laughing

Get in touch with your inner fish.

Jesus H. Christ.

Ever read the book? Careful... you might like it! I had 20 freshmen/sophomores read it and they liked it -- that proves it's hard not to like it :)

newsjunkie

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May 31, 2012 -- 7:48PM, Adelphe wrote:

I'm curious about something--you talk a lot about dignity and human dignity so IYO is a fish equal in dignity to a human?

Of I don't. How 'bout you?

Adelphe

Posts: 28,535

May 31, 2012 -- 9:03PM, Rgurley4 wrote:

It didn't take God but a split second in spiritual time to figure out the DNA building blocks of all life on Planet Earth.

For pure evolutionists, life accidently took a very long man-time to develop.

I like that brief, pithy synopsis.

I intend to use it--giving you full credit, of course.

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.

Adelphe

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May 31, 2012 -- 11:21PM, newsjunkie wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Adelphe wrote:

"Inner fish"

can't

stop

laughing

Get in touch with your inner fish.

Jesus H. Christ.

Ever read the book? Careful... you might like it! I had 20 freshmen/sophomores read it and they liked it -- that proves it's hard not to like it :)

No, I haven't. And yes, I would agree with your conclusion :-). But what am I going to learn of value about my "inner fish" (LOL! Even typing the dang thing I'm laughing.)

May 31, 2012 -- 11:23PM, newsjunkie wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 7:48PM, Adelphe wrote:

I'm curious about something--you talk a lot about dignity and human dignity so IYO is a fish equal in dignity to a human?

Of I don't. How 'bout you?

Not at all. But I have, in part, a good reason--revelation. What would be yours?

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.

Iwantamotto

Posts: 6,131

For pure evolutionists, life accidently took a very long man-time to develop.

I trust a nature that took its time to work out the kinks than just poofing something up without a lot of thought (and don't claim God thought it out, since He's surprised A&E sin, He's surprised Cain kills Abel, and He's shocked that the globe "needs" drowning).

Knock and the door shall open. It's not my fault if you don't like the decor.

newsjunkie

Posts: 5,567

Jun 1, 2012 -- 4:08AM, Adelphe wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 11:21PM, newsjunkie wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 7:41PM, Adelphe wrote:

"Inner fish"

can't

stop

laughing

Get in touch with your inner fish.

Jesus H. Christ.

Ever read the book? Careful... you might like it! I had 20 freshmen/sophomores read it and they liked it -- that proves it's hard not to like it :)

No, I haven't. And yes, I would agree with your conclusion :-). But what am I going to learn of value about my "inner fish" (LOL! Even typing the dang thing I'm laughing.)

Lots of interesting things! He talks about how different parts of our anatomy evolved, and about the different genes that control development of our bodies while we're embryos, and how other animals have the same genes that work the same way. He also talks about his work finding the famous Tiktaalik, a fossil transitional between fish and amphibians. I learned a new things about anatomy and how our genes control our development.

May 31, 2012 -- 11:23PM, newsjunkie wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 7:48PM, Adelphe wrote:

I'm curious about something--you talk a lot about dignity and human dignity so IYO is a fish equal in dignity to a human?

Of I don't. How 'bout you?

Not at all. But I have, in part, a good reason--revelation. What would be yours?

My upbringing, education, properly functioning brain, and basic human nature.

MMarcoe

Posts: 11,439

Jun 1, 2012 -- 4:05AM, Adelphe wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 9:03PM, Rgurley4 wrote:

It didn't take God but a split second in spiritual time to figure out the DNA building blocks of all life on Planet Earth.

For pure evolutionists, life accidently took a very long man-time to develop.

I like that brief, pithy synopsis.

I intend to use it--giving you full credit, of course.

Except that pure evolutionists don't see life as accidental. That is a false witness that many creationists tell. So you're best off not borrowing it, unless you wish to sully your reputation.

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.

Adelphe

Posts: 28,535

Jun 1, 2012 -- 10:25AM, newsjunkie wrote:

No, I haven't. And yes, I would agree with your conclusion :-). But what am I going to learn of value about my "inner fish" (LOL! Even typing the dang thing I'm laughing.)

Lots of interesting things! He talks about how different parts of our anatomy evolved, and about the different genes that control development of our bodies while we're embryos, and how other animals have the same genes that work the same way. He also talks about his work finding the famous Tiktaalik, a fossil transitional between fish and amphibians. I learned a new things about anatomy and how our genes control our development.

Thanks (really), but I just don't find that exciting enough to explore any further (and I say this as one with a biology background, too)...

May 31, 2012 -- 11:23PM, newsjunkie wrote:

My upbringing, education, properly functioning brain, and basic human nature.

This is interesting.

What if one didn't have your "upbringing and education"? Do you think they would reach the same conclusion?

"Properly functioning brain", okay. But Peter Singer I think (most) would argue has a "properly functioning brain" and I don't see where he assigns anything that can be described as "dignity" to humans.

Re "basic human nature", what is that?

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.

Adelphe

Posts: 28,535

Jun 2, 2012 -- 11:33PM, MMarcoe wrote:

Jun 1, 2012 -- 4:05AM, Adelphe wrote:

May 31, 2012 -- 9:03PM, Rgurley4 wrote:

It didn't take God but a split second in spiritual time to figure out the DNA building blocks of all life on Planet Earth.

For pure evolutionists, life accidently took a very long man-time to develop.

I like that brief, pithy synopsis.

I intend to use it--giving you full credit, of course.

Except that pure evolutionists don't see life as accidental. That is a false witness that many creationists tell. So you're best off not borrowing it, unless you wish to sully your reputation.

There's a difference between "life accidentally took a long time to develop" and "life is accidental."

There's also a lot of equivocation on the word "accidental."

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.

Blü

Posts: 21,140

Adelphe

'Dignity' comes (via French) from Latin dignitas, 'worthiness', 'merit'.

Christians say out loud that they're not worthy, so presumably they press no claim to dignity.

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