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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 2:52AM #1
Eliyahu7
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The Bible teaches that God is ONE. 

NOWHERE does the Bible teach that God is three. 

So that's knocks off the trinity dogma.   God is one is not compatible with God is three.


"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!"   Deut 6:4


"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One"  Holman Christian Standard Bible


"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."  English Standard Version


"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!"  New American Standard Bible


"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."   New International Version 


"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!"  New King James Version"




"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE;  and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.'  The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."  And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."  And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God.""  Mark 12:28-34  Revised Standard Version 


“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." ....  "You are right in saying that God is one"   New International Version


"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." ....  "You are right in saying that God is one."  New International Readers Version


"Jesus answered:  Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One."  ....  "You have correctly said that He is One,"   Holman Christian Standard Bible


"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:"  ....  "thou hast well said that he is one;"   American Standard Version


"Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one."    New King James Version


"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" ....  "You have truly said that he is one,"    English Standard Version


"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;"  ....  "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accurate—that God is one"  The Message


"‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."   ....  “You are right in saying that God is one"    New International Version




"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE."  Gal 3:20  Revised Standard Version 


"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE"  King James Version


"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE."  New International Version


"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE."  English Standard Version


"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE."  American Standard Version


"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE"   Youngs Literal Translation




"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."   James 2:19  Revised Standard Version

"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well,"  Youngs Literal translation


"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:"  American Standard Version


"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."  Holman Christian Standard Bible.


"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well."  Darby Translation.


"It’s good that you believe that GOD IS ONE."  Common English Bible


"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."   English Standard Version


"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."   Amplified Bible


"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;"   New American Standard Bible




So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.



"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one."  Zach 14:9  American Standard Version

"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be— “The LORD is one, And His name one."  New King James Version

"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one."  English Standard Version

"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one."    Amplified Bible



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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 4:05AM #2
Blü
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Eliyahu


Indeed.


The doctrine of the Trinity isn't supported by the bible.


No surprise - it wasn't invented till ~180 CE and didn't find its modern form before the 4th century.


Further, the Catholic Encyclopedia calls the doctrine of the Trinity a 'mystery'. 


They state frankly that human reason can't derive the doctrine; it can only be known by revelation, and after revelation, reason can't cogently demonstrate it (ie make head or tail of it). 


That's to say, 'mystery' translated into English means 'nonsense'.

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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 4:14AM #3
Ed.W
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May 31, 2012 -- 2:52AM, Eliyahu7 wrote:

Bs'd

The Bible teaches that God is ONE. 

NOWHERE does the Bible teach that God is three. 



Good for you.  We believe that too.  First line of our creed.  Thanks for checking tho.

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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 4:22AM #4
Blü
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Ed


So you now agree that Yahweh isn't three!  No more Trinity nonsense for you!  Father, god.  Son and Ghost, other.


This is progress.  Well done.


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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 7:41AM #5
Adelphe
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May 31, 2012 -- 2:52AM, Eliyahu7 wrote:

Bs'd

The Bible teaches that God is ONE. 

NOWHERE does the Bible teach that God is three. 

So that's knocks off the trinity dogma.   God is one is not compatible with God is three.


"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!"   Deut 6:4


"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One"  Holman Christian Standard Bible


"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."  English Standard Version


"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!"  New American Standard Bible


"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one."   New International Version 


"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!"  New King James Version"




"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE;  and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.'  The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."  And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."  And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God.""  Mark 12:28-34  Revised Standard Version 


“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." ....  "You are right in saying that God is one"   New International Version


"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." ....  "You are right in saying that God is one."  New International Readers Version


"Jesus answered:  Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One."  ....  "You have correctly said that He is One,"   Holman Christian Standard Bible


"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:"  ....  "thou hast well said that he is one;"   American Standard Version


"Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one."    New King James Version


"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" ....  "You have truly said that he is one,"    English Standard Version


"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;"  ....  "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accurate—that God is one"  The Message


"‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."   ....  “You are right in saying that God is one"    New International Version




"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE."  Gal 3:20  Revised Standard Version 


"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE"  King James Version


"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE."  New International Version


"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE."  English Standard Version


"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE."  American Standard Version


"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE"   Youngs Literal Translation




"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."   James 2:19  Revised Standard Version


"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well,"  Youngs Literal translation


"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:"  American Standard Version


"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."  Holman Christian Standard Bible.


"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well."  Darby Translation.


"It’s good that you believe that GOD IS ONE."  Common English Bible


"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."   English Standard Version


"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well."   Amplified Bible


"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;"   New American Standard Bible




So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.



"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one."  Zach 14:9  American Standard Version

"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be— “The LORD is one, And His name one."  New King James Version

"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one."  English Standard Version

"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one."    Amplified Bible



Eliyahu, light unto the nations



"God is ONE" what and "not three" whats?

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe.  Here I stand.  I can do no other.  God help me.  Amen.
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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 8:49AM #6
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May 31, 2012 -- 4:05AM, Blü wrote:

Eliyahu Indeed. The doctrine of the Trinity isn't supported by the bible.  No surprise - it wasn't invented till ~180 CE and didn't find its modern form before the 4th century.


You really should be addressing this argument on the Trinity thread and not expanding it here since that’s a violation of the Rules of Conduct.  Of course, I can always bring the same information here were you can’t simply ignore it, but I’d rather play by the rules.

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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 9:10AM #7
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Of course God is one.  I don't know of any Christian who would argue against that.


You problem is explaining why Jesus and the Holy Spirit are presented in the bible as doing things only God can do. 


Do you need some examples?

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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 10:14AM #8
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May 31, 2012 -- 7:41AM, Adelphe wrote:


"God is ONE" what and "not three" whats?



Bs'd


Undefined, and therefore everything.



Eliyahu


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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 10:16AM #9
Eliyahu7
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May 31, 2012 -- 9:10AM, 57 wrote:


Of course God is one.  I don't know of any Christian who would argue against that.


You problem is explaining why Jesus and the Holy Spirit are presented in the bible as doing things only God can do. 


Do you need some examples?




Bs'd


Every trinitarian will say that God is three.   Three persons.




Eliyahu


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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 10:19AM #10
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May 31, 2012 -- 10:16AM, Eliyahu7 wrote:


May 31, 2012 -- 9:10AM, 57 wrote:


Of course God is one.  I don't know of any Christian who would argue against that.


You problem is explaining why Jesus and the Holy Spirit are presented in the bible as doing things only God can do. 


Do you need some examples?




Bs'd


Every trinitarian will say that God is three.   Three persons.




Eliyahu





Duh....and with very good reason.  


I noticed you danced around my question.


Here it is again ...


You problem is explaining why Jesus and the Holy Spirit are presented in the bible as doing things only God can do. 

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