May 26, 2012 -- 10:41AM, johnacancienne wrote:

this sure don't seem qualitive to me; in fact it's pretty specific.

May 26, 2012 -- 3:49PM, Adelphe wrote:

You got some kind of table thing embedded in here so I can't break it apart so I'll just comment:

1.  do you think there is a literal, gigantic "furnace of fire" stationed somewhere?

Nope... I don't believe in hell, or for that matter eternal punishment and torture, or anything else that I put here from your bible. However, Jesus did; there's over 70 references in the bible relating to Jesus speaking about hell, and the fires. Your bible containes over 300 references of hell, so the majority of Christianity took that load of crap pretty seriously, along with the rest of the scriptures I posted. Look, Addy... I'm taking all of my cues from your religious texts. I ain't making this up! I'm not that smart! But I know what I read, and have a fairly broad understanding of the written word. Now, if any of these quotes that come directly from the bible is false in any way, just admit that your bible lies, and your religion is following a book of lies. You do that, and I'll take a 10-shutup. But otherwise, you have to go on record of admitting the scriptures are there, and valid. and by you and Lope not accepting that as sound scripture are practicing heresy.

Now stop fencing with me..... you aren't up to the task having so much evidence out there against you.

May 26, 2012 -- 4:04PM, Sacrificialgoddess wrote:

May 26, 2012 -- 3:54PM, lope wrote:

You did not answer my question.  What is it about the parable of the Good Samaritan you are unable to understand?

To be fair, that is not precisely what you asked. And I don't think I misunderstand a thing about the parable. I just think that depending on the situation, Jesus' message about love changes. His definition changes.

So you do understand the parable of the Good Samaritan.  So why do you disagree with my interpretation of love based on that parable?  And how do you disagree with it?

May 26, 2012 -- 10:22AM, lope wrote:

God is everywhere He wants to be.  Nowhere He does not want to be.  There is effective separation between life and death.

Why wouldn't a god want to be everywhere that it created?

It appears that we are in the domain of speculation at this point.

May 26, 2012 -- 10:24AM, Adelphe wrote:

This whole line of discussion is in reference to your statement that thoughts are real but occupy no space (and that was to bolster the notion of spirit existing). 

No, it was in support of lope's "My guess is heaven is existence without a place involved" which is in support of Wright's statement in TIME (and which I supported with it's not a location but qualitative--a state.)

That was with Lope.  Our discussion began with your assertion that thoughts are real and occupy no space, which isn't true.

They are abstractions that result from brain activity.

Abstractions are also objects, yes.

Only in a definition not being used in the context of your statements.

Thoughts are not objects in the physical sense, that being that they would occupy space.  Any other definition is irrelevant.

Then we agree that objects exist even if they don't occupy physical space.

We can move on.

That is a completely different definition of "object" in a different context.  The context is whether an object occupies space since it is real.  Thoughts may be considered objects in a different meaning that whether it occupies space, so you can't use the definition to support what you assert.

Are you not familiar with Blu's set of axioms?  He's posted them over the years on these boards.  It makes the fewest assumptions necessarly for we humans to be able to sense our enviornment and accurately assess what it is made of.  It is the same baseline that any thinking animal would use, but it stops at assuming a supernatural exists and causes effects.  So what I can say we humans know about reality is limited to what we can verify and validate.  It works incredibly well, and is vastly superior and more reliable than assuming any supernatural agents exist.

Sure, "works well" for logical positivists.  An old, dead, philosophical movement killed by the logical positivists themselves for its naivete.

Not when it is the best means to know what is true in reality.  It beats fantasy and imagination any day.

May 26, 2012 -- 4:05PM, johnacancienne wrote:

May 26, 2012 -- 10:41AM, johnacancienne wrote:

this sure don't seem qualitive to me; in fact it's pretty specific.

May 26, 2012 -- 3:49PM, Adelphe wrote:

You got some kind of table thing embedded in here so I can't break it apart so I'll just comment:

1.  do you think there is a literal, gigantic "furnace of fire" stationed somewhere?

Nope... I don't believe in hell, or for that matter eternal punishment and torture, or anything else that I put here from your bible. However, Jesus did; there's over 70 references in the bible relating to Jesus speaking about hell, and the fires. Your bible containes over 300 references of hell, so the majority of Christianity took that load of crap pretty seriously, along with the rest of the scriptures I posted. Look, Addy... I'm taking all of my cues from your religious texts. I ain't making this up! I'm not that smart! But I know what I read, and have a fairly broad understanding of the written word. Now, if any of these quotes that come directly from the bible is false in any way, just admit that your bible lies, and your religion is following a book of lies. You do that, and I'll take a 10-shutup. But otherwise, you have to go on record of admitting the scriptures are there, and valid. and by you and Lope not accepting that as sound scripture are practicing heresy.

Now stop fencing with me..... you aren't up to the task having so much evidence out there against you.

Of COURSE hell is real and OF COURSE Scripture and Jesus teach about it.  What you're not understanding is that it is not understood as a literal firey place where people roast to death on a spit over flames for gazillion years.

It's a state.  Qualitative, not quantitative.

A state of self-separation from God.