Newtonian

Also if i am wrong about any thing i have posted and you had better show me evidence of my so called deceit, i will retract it.

Denis.

May 30, 2012 -- 7:33AM, DNT wrote:

Hey Newtonian

Please explain why the WTS magazine states categorically that studies in scriptures when read on there own will bring a person in to the light, but reading the Bible on there own will bring a person in to darkness.

WT magazine sept 15, 1910.p.298 The Magazine wrote, with out studies in the scriptures one could never see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, it went on to say, even after reading studies in scriptures for ten years, if one stopped reading it and went to the Bible alone, within two years he would REVERT BACK in to darkness, further he said, Conversely one who never read the Bible, but did read Russell's volumes would be in the light at the end of two years because he would have had the light of the scriptures.

Please explain this quote from the WTS magazine issued in 1910, sept 15, page 298. Please show me one prophecy that the WTS have got right, please show me the credentials of the people who translated the NWT so that they can be verified that they indeed are qualified to do so.

Please show me where i have deceived any one here, please show me any lie i have told.

Denis. 

Hi Denis,

No explanation yet?

I found this quote recently and thought it would be appropriate for this thread, though someone may have already posted it.  If so, here it is again, from the 10/1/67 wt.:

pg. 587 "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah’s visible organization in mind."

pg. 590 "Evidences are now conclusive that Jesus Christ was enthroned in heaven in 1914 C.E. and that he accompanied Jehovah to his temple in 1918 C.E., when judgment began with the house of God. (1 Pet. 4:17) After cleansing those belonging to this house who were alive on earth, Jehovah poured out his spirit upon them and assigned them the responsibility of serving as his sole visible channel, through whom alone spiritual instruction was to come. Those who recognize Jehovah’s visible theocratic organization, therefore, must recognize and accept this appointment of the “faithful and discreet slave” and be submissive to it."

Their authority is the WT Org, as plainly stated above "through whom alone spiritual instruction was to come."

Woodzz

May 29, 2012 -- 12:03PM, woodzz wrote:

May 22, 2012 -- 4:21AM, DNT wrote:

A while back i said that jw do not hold the Bible as there highest authority, i was basically told i was a liar. So i would like to ask jw and none jw, what do they consider is the highest authority a human being can go to in the search for the understanding of God and why.

Hi DNT,

You are correct to say JWs don't hold the Bible as their highest authority.  The men on the WT Org's governing body are JWs highest authority and they are the ones who tell JWs what to believe the Bible says, and when to believe it.  The reason is because all JWs believe Jesus reviewed the teachings of Charles Russell (1876-1917), approved of them as being faithful and wise, and appointed Russell's followers (later known as Jehovah's Witnesses) as the authority over all his earthly interests and as the sole channel of communication between God and mankind.  They preach that a person can hope for little to no understanding of God and his Word without being associated with them.

 

Woodzz

 

 

It may be  that  there  are  replies  to  these  falsehoods  in  later posts, but  I  feel  compelled  to  answer  them  now. We  believe that  in  1914 Jesus  began his  reign over  the  earth  and  chose  one  of  the  anointed  on  the  earth  to  oversee  that  work.  He  did  not make  this  choice  because  of  perfection of  doctrine  but  rather,  just  as  when he  chose  Saul, he  chose  a  man  who  would  be  dedicated  to  do his  will  in  spite  of  any  error  in his  doctrine.  Some  on  this  board  say on  one  hand,  that  we  are followers  of  Russell  and  then  state  where  we  have  learned  from  the  scriptures  a  clearer  understanding  of  a matter  and  downgrade us  because  we  do not  follow  Russell's  teachings. 

Because of  Russell's being  dedicated  to him,  the  same  thing  has  happened  as  in  Saul's  case.  Jehovah's  will  for  this  time  is  being  carried  out.  Yes,  we  do  now  have  a  group  of the anointed  to  oversee instead  of  one  man.  This  is  actually  what  God's  will  is, as  though he  does  appreciate  each of  of  us  individually, he  wants  us to  follow  his  Son  as  leader.  We  should  never put any human  teaching  above  that  of  the  Christ!   If  some  man  wants us to Heil him  as  leader,  we  refuse.  

I  can  think of  no  good  reason  that  one  who  wants  to  be  a  servant  of  Jesus,would  fight  against  associating  with  his  brothers.

with  affection  from Marken

May 31, 2012 -- 11:06AM, marken wrote:

May 29, 2012 -- 12:03PM, woodzz wrote:

May 22, 2012 -- 4:21AM, DNT wrote:

A while back i said that jw do not hold the Bible as there highest authority, i was basically told i was a liar. So i would like to ask jw and none jw, what do they consider is the highest authority a human being can go to in the search for the understanding of God and why.

Hi DNT,

You are correct to say JWs don't hold the Bible as their highest authority.  The men on the WT Org's governing body are JWs highest authority and they are the ones who tell JWs what to believe the Bible says, and when to believe it.  The reason is because all JWs believe Jesus reviewed the teachings of Charles Russell (1876-1917), approved of them as being faithful and wise, and appointed Russell's followers (later known as Jehovah's Witnesses) as the authority over all his earthly interests and as the sole channel of communication between God and mankind.  They preach that a person can hope for little to no understanding of God and his Word without being associated with them.

 

Woodzz

 

 

It may be  that  there  are  replies  to  these  falsehoods  in  later posts, but  I  feel  compelled  to  answer  them  now. We  believe that  in  1914 Jesus  began his  reign over  the  earth  and  chose  one  of  the  anointed  on  the  earth  to  oversee  that  work.  He  did  not make  this  choice  because  of  perfection of  doctrine  but  rather,  just  as  when he  chose  Saul, he  chose  a  man  who  would  be  dedicated  to  do his  will  in  spite  of  any  error  in his  doctrine.  Some  on  this  board  say on  one  hand,  that  we  are followers  of  Russell  and  then  state  where  we  have  learned  from  the  scriptures  a  clearer  understanding  of  a matter  and  downgrade us  because  we  do not  follow  Russell's  teachings. 

Because of  Russell's being  dedicated  to him,  the  same  thing  has  happened  as  in  Saul's  case.  Jehovah's  will  for  this  time  is  being  carried  out.  Yes,  we  do  now  have  a  group  of the anointed  to  oversee instead  of  one  man.  This  is  actually  what  God's  will  is, as  though he  does  appreciate  each of  of  us  individually, he  wants  us to  follow  his  Son  as  leader.  We  should  never put any human  teaching  above  that  of  the  Christ!   If  some  man  wants us to Heil him  as  leader,  we  refuse.  

I  can  think of  no  good  reason  that  one  who  wants  to  be  a  servant  of  Jesus,would  fight  against  associating  with  his  brothers.

with  affection  from Marken

Agreed Marken. The anointed and governing body are not there to rule us. Far far from it. There are there to help us. Provide answers to questions and provide for us anything we need to tell people of the Good News. If we worship these people in any fashion that would be in direct violation of the bible. So if you hear something like "Witnesses worship men" this is a lie.

May 31, 2012 -- 11:26AM, mrjordan wrote:

Agreed Marken. The anointed and governing body are not there to rule us. Far far from it. There are there to help us. Provide answers to questions and provide for us anything we need to tell people of the Good News. If we worship these people in any fashion that would be in direct violation of the bible. So if you hear something like "Witnesses worship men" this is a lie.

You've outlined exactly what I've been saying, you look to the men on the governing body to tell you what the Bible says.  I didn't call it worship, you're the one who came up with that.

Twice now on this discussion board JWs have mis-spoken their understanding of the Bible.  Both time I brought their attention to what the WT Org's understanding of the Bible is and they both changed their minds to that of the WT Org.  That in itself shows you obviously consider them your authority and not the Bible.

They, in fact, have said they are your authority when it comes to understanding the Bible.  They ALONE provide spiritual direction to you, remember?

[w67 10/1 p.590 #19]Jehovah poured out his spirit upon them and assigned them the responsibility of serving as his sole visible channel, through whom alone spiritual instruction was to come. Those who recognize Jehovah’s visible theocratic organization, therefore, must recognize and accept this appointment of the “faithful and discreet slave” and be submissive to it.

[w81 12/1 p.27 #4] Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his “faithful and discreet slave,” made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.

Woodzz