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3 years ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 7:53AM #21
Adelphe
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May 23, 2012 -- 7:45AM, koolpoi wrote:


May 22, 2012 -- 8:31AM, Adelphe wrote:


May 21, 2012 -- 8:42PM, koolpoi wrote:


May 21, 2012 -- 7:49PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Lu 18:18  And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.



read flatly


this could be read to say Only God is good



read rhetorically, Jesus is good, only God is good; therefore Jesus is God




Why not speak clearly unless one wants confusion that theologians will debate for centuries?




So as to cause you to think and reach your own conclusions.


Either Jesus is good, therefore, Jesus is God, or Jesus is NOT good.


You can try to argue the latter but it's a lame argument and few will agree with it.




How about Jesus is doing his best to be good but he is too humble to presume to compare his goodness with God?




The notion is contradicted several times elsewhere in the text.

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe.  Here I stand.  I can do no other.  God help me.  Amen.
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3 years ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 8:47AM #22
koolpoi
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May 23, 2012 -- 7:53AM, Adelphe wrote:


May 23, 2012 -- 7:45AM, koolpoi wrote:


May 22, 2012 -- 8:31AM, Adelphe wrote:


May 21, 2012 -- 8:42PM, koolpoi wrote:


May 21, 2012 -- 7:49PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Lu 18:18  And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.



read flatly


this could be read to say Only God is good



read rhetorically, Jesus is good, only God is good; therefore Jesus is God




Why not speak clearly unless one wants confusion that theologians will debate for centuries?




So as to cause you to think and reach your own conclusions.


Either Jesus is good, therefore, Jesus is God, or Jesus is NOT good.


You can try to argue the latter but it's a lame argument and few will agree with it.




How about Jesus is doing his best to be good but he is too humble to presume to compare his goodness with God?




The notion is contradicted several times elsewhere in the text.




How about Jesus is the son of God (but not God)?

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3 years ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 9:05AM #23
Seefan
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May 23, 2012 -- 8:47AM, koolpoi wrote:


May 23, 2012 -- 7:53AM, Adelphe wrote:


May 23, 2012 -- 7:45AM, koolpoi wrote:


May 22, 2012 -- 8:31AM, Adelphe wrote:


May 21, 2012 -- 8:42PM, koolpoi wrote:


May 21, 2012 -- 7:49PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Lu 18:18  And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


read flatly


this could be read to say Only God is good


read rhetorically, Jesus is good, only God is good; therefore Jesus is God



Why not speak clearly unless one wants confusion that theologians will debate for centuries?



So as to cause you to think and reach your own conclusions.


Either Jesus is good, therefore, Jesus is God, or Jesus is NOT good.


You can try to argue the latter but it's a lame argument and few will agree with it.



How about Jesus is doing his best to be good but he is too humble to presume to compare his goodness with God?



The notion is contradicted several times elsewhere in the text.



How about Jesus is the son of God (but not God)?  




Then the "Son of God" must be a "station" defining the purpose and validity of Jesus' teaching and not a physical reality ...


 

Today the one overriding need is unity and harmony among the beloved of the Lord, for they should have among them but one heart and soul and should, so far as in them lieth, unitedly withstand the hostility of all the peoples of the world ... (Baha'i Writings)
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