Trinity and Omnipotence

Blü

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dave

a human by definition is not omni...

So you don't go with the committee idea. That would suggest you think Yahweh is the omnipotent one.

lets presume for a minute that Jesus was Omni-he lost that when he submitted His rank to the Father

In the bible he's always in submission to Yahweh. "I came not of my own accord, but he sent me" and "I can do nothing on my own authority" and "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone" and "My Father [...] is greater than all" and "they know thee the only true God" and so on.

Kwinters

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May 18, 2012 -- 7:32PM, davelaw40 wrote:

May 18, 2012 -- 6:26PM, Blü wrote:

lope

I am not that interested in when Jesus became omnipotent or if

Omnipotence and the Trinity - their relationship is the topic of this thread

So your comment is rather a conversation-stopper.

not really, Jesus was a human vessel the finite can not completely contain the infinite

So god is not omnipotent because he could not make physical reality such that a human could contain the infinite? God is constrained by spiritual physics?

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Dostojevsky

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'So god is not omnipotent because he could not make physical reality such that a human could contain the infinite? God is constrained by spiritual physics?'

You are right Kwinters, god is not omnipotent; God is.

God is Order and there are things God can not do as it would be breaking his own laws. Jesus often said, that the Law may be fulfilled. Laws of existence are more than 10Comm.

Physical reality is what it is. If it is made into something else then it is something else untill then it remains as is.

I have to disagree with previous poster. Jesus did contain the Infinite. His soul was the divine of the Father. His body with human tendencies he inherited through Mary.

He spoke as a man, he cried with compassion, he was temptesd as a man, but His face also shone like the sun at transfiguration. He said I and my Father are one.

Adelphe

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May 18, 2012 -- 7:32PM, davelaw40 wrote:

May 18, 2012 -- 6:26PM, Blü wrote:

lope

I am not that interested in when Jesus became omnipotent or if

Omnipotence and the Trinity - their relationship is the topic of this thread

So your comment is rather a conversation-stopper.

not really, Jesus was a human vessel the finite can not completely contain the infinite

the Word , the Son is the third person of Trinity

a human by definition is not omni...

and lets presume for a minute that Jesus was Omni-he lost that when he submitted His rank to the Father

I recognize you're not necessarily creedal but Chalcedon addresses the subsequent questions following your post and now you're stuck with them.

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.

dio

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The way I see it, the eternal is not contained by humanity, but touches and is touched by the stuff of eternity in humannity. I think that's what in the likeness of God means. God is and we is for a time,what we share is this isness.

davelaw40

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May 19, 2012 -- 1:40AM, Blü wrote:

dave

a human by definition is not omni...

So you don't go with the committee idea. That would suggest you think Yahweh is the omnipotent one.

lets presume for a minute that Jesus was Omni-he lost that when he submitted His rank to the Father

In the bible he's always in submission to Yahweh. "I came not of my own accord, but he sent me" and "I can do nothing on my own authority" and "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone" and "My Father [...] is greater than all" and "they know thee the only true God" and so on.

because He is on Earth as Jesus

Non Quis, Sed Quid

Blü

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dave

So do you think Yahweh's the omnipotent one?

because He is on Earth as Jesus

And before that as well - "I came not of my own accord, but he sent me".

And after that as well - when he gets back to heaven, his place is described relative to Yahweh's, not vice versa - namely, being on Yahweh's right. We NEVER hear Yahweh's position described as being on Jesus' left.

Adelphe

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May 19, 2012 -- 6:56PM, Blü wrote:

dave

So do you think Yahweh's the omnipotent one?

because He is on Earth as Jesus

And before that as well - "I came not of my own accord, but he sent me".

And after that as well - when he gets back to heaven, his place is described relative to Yahweh's, not vice versa - namely, being on Yahweh's right. We NEVER hear Yahweh's position described as being on Jesus' left.

You hear of them sitting on each other in Revelation, though.

Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.

Blü

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Adelphe

You hear of them sitting on each other in Revelation, though.

The consenting adults thing! Do tell.

Adelphe

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May 20, 2012 -- 10:21AM, Blü wrote:

Adelphe

You hear of them sitting on each other in Revelation, though.

The consenting adults thing! Do tell.

rofl

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
Revelation 22:1
[ The River of Life ] Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
Revelation 22:3
No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

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