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2 years ago  ::  May 15, 2012 - 11:27PM #31
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May 15, 2012 -- 11:09PM, matica wrote:


People call me Matt every day instead of Matthew, if I were the almighty I should kill all those people who call me Matt instead of Matthew. Gets even worse when they call me the field tech or the cable guy, or the IT guy, I should kill them for that as well. No they must call me by my parents chosen name. But what if I'm not wearing a shirt with my name on it, if they don't call me by my name I must kill them?




The Watchtower correct pronounciation is simply one of the many things we must know...it's part of the "accurate knowledge" that God requires. If you haven't taken in accurate knowledge (along with a well documented time card), how can you pass the quiz at Armageddon? Those who have accurate knowledge have a good shot at eternal life, those who don't can't possibly pass the knowledge quiz and have a good shot at "everlasting cutting off".


“And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life." (Mat 25:46, NWT)


Salvation...the Watchtower way. Undecided

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag
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2 years ago  ::  May 15, 2012 - 11:48PM #32
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May 15, 2012 -- 4:54PM, Newtonian wrote:


May 10, 2012 -- 10:04AM, 57 wrote:


May 9, 2012 -- 8:23PM, Svetlana wrote:


Oh, they know they've got it wrong, they keep condemning us for having removed God's name from the Bible (it doesn't matter that you had no idea you'd done this, or that your ancestors had, you're doomed anyway if you're not JW.  Funny how that works, since it was their ancestors too, but reason isn't often a spiritual virtue).  Jehovah is as good a name as any for Him, as long as it's used respectfully, of course.  Where their true colors show is in condemning us to destruction for not obeying the WTS/GB when it insists that we must use their prefered substitute, rather than any other.  They call that "Christ-like" and "being led by the Spirit".  Go figure.




God has many names. 



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57 - Some of those are place-names, El and Elohim are the title God - the latter in the plural of Excellence - Moses is called elohim in Exodus 7:1 - so this is a title meaning "mighty one" and is not unique to Jehovah.


El shaddai means God almighty - Lord (adon/adonay) is not in that title.


There are title names also.   However, Jehovah as only one personal name -


Please read Psalms 83:18 in KJV.  


Obviously, we simply imitated KJV which translation was made centuries before modern day Jehovah's Witnesses restored the Divine Name to where it belongs.


See Strong's Concordance under "Lord" and notice that H3068 is found nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew text.


Strong's Hebrew dictionary shows that H3068 is transliterated from Hebrew as "Yehovah" and translated into English as "Jehovah" - it also shows how many times "Lord" (113) jas beemn substituted





I particularly like where they placed the name "Jehovah" in place of "The Lord" in Revelation 1:8 where it referances Him as the Alpha & Omega, the One who is & who was & who is coming.


This helped me to identify Christs true being as God since revelation 2:17 has Jesus point blank stating he is the First & the last.  Then Revelation 21: again referances Jesus as the Alpha & the Omega.  We can tell this because the verse starts out by John saying, "And he said to me" which is a referance to the narator who gave him the Revelation which he difined in Revelation 1:1 as a revelation by Jesus and in revelation 22:16 Jesus clarified this point by saying, "I, Jesus sent my angel to bear witness" in which context He is declaring that it has been His angel that has given the Revelation to John.


Now in Revelation 22:12-13 the Jesus angel is speaking on His behalf & it is His revelation and he sais, "Look! I am coming quickly and the reward I give is with meto render to each one as his work is. I am the Alpha & Omega, the first & the last, the beginning & the end".


Finaly Revelation 22:20 wraps it up with "He that bears witness of these things says, Yes; I am coming quickly." "Amen! Come, Lord Jesus". 


So how do you argue with His own words?  Jeus has stated he is the Alpha & Omega and your own bible states Jehovah is the Alpha & Omega.


Now read revelation 21:22-27 & 22:1-21, look at all the cross referances Jesus angel gives telling us that Jehovah & Jeus are both the temple, light, Lambs scroll of life & both sit on the throne.  This is at the end of Revelations when all things are finished & this is the new Heavens & new Earth, not a temporary state but what will be eternal.


The angel said to John to only worship God and yet in his discription of the new Heavens & new Earth Jesus must be worshipped as well since He is on the throne & he is also the temple.  Other context of scripture has God saying point blank that Jesus will be worshipped and He is refered to as God.


So thanks JW religion for helping me to catch this fact by changing Revelation 1:8 so that I could clearly see that Jehovah is the Alpha & Omega just the same as Jesus is, God Bless!


 

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2 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 12:30PM #33
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May 15, 2012 -- 11:48PM, understandingtruth wrote:



So thanks JW religion for helping me to catch this fact by changing Revelation 1:8 so that I could clearly see that Jehovah is the Alpha & Omega just the same as Jesus is, God Bless!


 




Just to be clear here, that Witnesses do not acknowledge the trinity nor do we teach that Jehovah and Jesus are the same. To try and say that "Witnesses helped you believe in the trinity", is a false statement.

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2 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 2:28PM #34
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May 17, 2012 -- 12:30PM, mrjordan wrote:


May 15, 2012 -- 11:48PM, understandingtruth wrote:



So thanks JW religion for helping me to catch this fact by changing Revelation 1:8 so that I could clearly see that Jehovah is the Alpha & Omega just the same as Jesus is, God Bless!


 




Just to be clear here, that Witnesses do not acknowledge the trinity nor do we teach that Jehovah and Jesus are the same. To try and say that "Witnesses helped you believe in the trinity", is a false statement.





Jw's sure helped me realize jesus was a false god.

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2 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:43PM #35
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May 17, 2012 -- 12:30PM, mrjordan wrote:


May 15, 2012 -- 11:48PM, understandingtruth wrote:



So thanks JW religion for helping me to catch this fact by changing Revelation 1:8 so that I could clearly see that Jehovah is the Alpha & Omega just the same as Jesus is, God Bless!


 




Just to be clear here, that Witnesses do not acknowledge the trinity nor do we teach that Jehovah and Jesus are the same. To try and say that "Witnesses helped you believe in the trinity", is a false statement.





If you don't teach the trinity then why replace Lord with Jehovah in Rev 1:8 as I pointed out.  It point blank makes Jehovah & Jesus one in the same if they are both, "Alpha & Omega", "First & Last", "the One who is coming".  I actually bought into the JW doctrine of no trinity until I read this and it made me wonder what other names, titles or discriptions were given for God in the bible & how they compared to ones used for Jesus.  It was about 8yrs ago & I sat down & did direct scriptural research and now I completely believe in God having at least three very clear personas, Father, Son & Holy Spirit, undoubtably for me.  So thanks again JW bible publishers, good job!


God Bless!


 


God Bless!

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2 years ago  ::  May 17, 2012 - 10:48PM #36
understandingtruth
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You see all the other bibles I had been reading for comparisons used the name "Lord" in Rev 1:8 but the JW bible was the only one I read that said "Jehovah" so it caught my eye & made me look closer.  I would have just kept assuming what I was taught was correct as I had always done if they didn't make it so obvious for me, thanks again!


God bless!

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