| 1 year ago :: May 05, 2012 - 8:53PM #11 | |
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| 1 year ago :: May 06, 2012 - 10:01PM #12 | |
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I liked this illustration. However, I would like to bring attention to a statement Jesus made in the third verse. He said the sheep would LISTEN to his voice. This poster states that the kid's likely were saying this is the voice of the person who always tells me to clean my room. But do they LISTEN? The answer is yes if they only have to be told once and their room is cleaned. It is a terrible charge that the WTS would hate this passage. We believe that Jesus asked us to share our knowledge with other humans just before he returned to heaven. Matt 28:19,20. we know that Jesus will not speak to anyone that does not read and study the scriptures. Both he and the scriptures are called the Word of God. The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and the anointed still on earth, and the great crowd who are looking for the protection of Jesus when he destroys wickedness from the earth have all listened to this command and they say Come! (just as they are instructed to do) Come and drink life's water free!Rev 22:17 The scripture at Romans 10:13 states that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. However, it shows the responsibility of Christians to share their knowledge in the next two verses. How can people listen to someone they have never heard of?Both Moses and Isaiah are quoted as speaking for Jehovah. verses 19-21. If we just sit in the company of those we love and love us in return, the people outside will not hear the wonderful good news of God's kingdom. We have to speak of these things to people who may not yet love Jesus and Jehovah, but they will as they learn of their goodness. with affection from Marken |
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| 1 year ago :: May 14, 2012 - 6:56PM #13 | |
57 - True - but you failed to note Scofield's marginal note showing that this is a quote from the Hebrew Scriptures containing the Divine Name. Again, at Romans 10:13 next to Lord (Greek Kyrios) Scofield has marginal note 'l' which reads in the genuine Scofield Reference Bible: "l Jehovah, Joel 2.32" See my thread on Scofield's marginal notes which have been removed by most sources - I suspect in part because Scofield frequently notes where Jehovah is in the Hebrew text. The Divine Name was removed from the Greek LXX OT aroung the early third century CE, and possibly earlier from some NT Greek mss. - though we do not have any NT mss. that would contain the Divine Name from before it was removed- but we do have older LXX mss. which retain the Divine Name in Hebrew characters in the Greek text. E-Sword offers a number of Bible translations for free download - and one is a Hebrew New Testament (= Christian Greek Scriptures) or HNT. Like many Hebrew translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures (= NT), it restores the Divine Name where it belongs in the text. Thus HNT at Romans 10:13 reads, in Hebrew: Rom 10:13 כי־כל אשר־יקר
א בשם יהוה ימלט׃
יהוה
H3068 יהוה yehôvâh It is not the Hebrew word adon (H113) or adonay (H136) which mean "Lord/lord" nor is it elohim (H430) which means God/gods as in Exodus 4:16 & 7:1 referring to Moses as God, in the plural of excellence. Greek Kyrios, btw, is the title "Lord" in Greek. |
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| 1 year ago :: May 14, 2012 - 7:00PM #14 | |
Hi Marken - Indeed, some have made terrible false charges against us - thank you for setting matters straight! With affection also, from Paul aka Newtonian! |
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| 1 year ago :: May 14, 2012 - 9:55PM #15 | |
Your leaders unambiguously insist that we must follow THEIR voice, not Christ's directly. They claim to follow Christ's voice, and you are to follow them, as are we all. THAT is why they cannot help but hate this verse (and your posts endorse that by not addressing directly, EVER, the point I made about it), because it says unmistakably that we need no one but Christ. Those who believe in Christ know His voice and have absolutely no need whatsoever to pay the least attention to the WTS/GB. They must hate that a LOT if they are at all rational.
"No matter how big and bad you are, when a two-year-old hands you a toy phone, you answer it." ~ (common sense)
"Never place a period where God has placed a comma." ~ Gracie Allen "I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it." ~ Abraham Lincoln "I was gonna post something that would tell you the difference between Hindus and Sikhs and Muslims but I realized that you don't need to know anything about somebody's religion to know that you shouldn't shoot them." ~ Eric Parsons |
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| 13 months ago :: May 31, 2012 - 8:52AM #16 | |
No, the scripture at Romans 10:13 states that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. The name of the Lord is Jesus. 1 Cor. 12:3.
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