May 6, 2012 -- 9:52PM, SeraphimR wrote:

May 6, 2012 -- 9:37PM, cherubino wrote:

May 6, 2012 -- 8:44PM, SeraphimR wrote:

Maybe.  It is hard to tell with these Zen types.  One of them is reported as saying:

"It is just to punish those who disturb the public order. Whether one kills or does not kill, the precept forbidding killing [is preserved]. It is the precept forbidding killing that wields the sword. It is the precept that throws the bomb."

Now that is truly a literalist hoot. It's a koan, an allegory or a parable, so of course "these Zen types" are going to stay true to form.

You know that for a fact?  Or are you making it up?

Hint:  ' Serving in Russia as a soldier, [this author] happily related how he and his comrades had "gorged ourselves on killing people." '

Suzuki didn't say, did he? Maybe the factuality of the matter isn't important to these Zen types. But tell me, Grasshopper, how did we get from pushing a cart to killing people so blithely?