Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:23PM, stardustpilgrim wrote:

Apr 30, 2012 -- 9:36PM, Adelphe wrote:

Apr 30, 2012 -- 9:26PM, stardustpilgrim wrote:

I agree. However, for some I think their own personal psychology distorts the evident. And this psychology gets formed mostly at a very early age, say previous to the age of six. So, for some, when they are very young and innocent, their unconscious gets loaded up with resistance, they get boxed in by their own neural structure which doesn't let them see God.

Unfair.

What hope do you hold out for these?

sdp

God...

“Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then does he now see?” His parents answered, “We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. But how he now sees we do not know, nor do we know who opened his eyes. Ask him; he is of age. He will speak for himself.” (His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesus to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.) Therefore his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”

So for the second time they called the man who had been blind and said to him, “Give glory to God. We know that this man is a sinner.” He answered, “Whether he is a sinner I do not know. One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.”

So are you saying that God gives everybody at least one miracle in their life to show them that He exists?

sdp

God performs miracles everywhere, every day.

I don't think a personal miracle is necessary, no.

According to Scripture, all human beings know He exists on some level (presumably because He's made us that way.)

It's about whether or not you want to get to know Him.  If so, He'll most definitely find a way.

Apr 30, 2012 -- 8:57PM, Blü wrote:

lope

All mature mentaly competent human beings fail to be perfect in their loving actions for others.  They fail to do them perfectly and at some point we all simply fail to do what we should have done.

That's simply part of being alive.  We can't draft a 'perfect society' - we just have to get out there and do it as best we can.  When we fail, we can at least hope to learn.

Yes it is, so why deny the truth of it?  It is not about society being perfect.  It is about the reality of us being imperfect, because we make bad choices.

May 1, 2012 -- 11:14AM, Blü wrote:

lope

It is about the reality of us being imperfect, because we make bad choices.

You're welcome to assert the wretched nature of man, the pessimism, guilt and blame.

We never taught our kids all that black rubbish.

We taught them to be the best they could and that screwing up is all part of it.  Seems to have worked.

But you never taught them they did not make mistakes.  You are not talking to me and my issues.  I did not assert the wretched nature of man, the pessimism, guilt and blame and all that black rukbbish.  I simply asserted our imperfection which is undeniable reality.

Apr 29, 2012 -- 1:03AM, stardustpilgrim wrote:

Apr 28, 2012 -- 8:22PM, Kwinters wrote:

Apr 28, 2012 -- 11:08AM, Blü wrote:

Adelphe

Zero repentance, thus...

Repentence of what, exactly?  Not that silly Sin of Adam stuff, surely?

How has the myth of Adam's sin been reconciled with evolutionary theory? When does modern theology view sin as having 'entered the world' I wonder.  With the opposible thumb?  Or the precision grip?

Genesis one and two. Why do we have two creation stories? Genesis one is the story of evolution. When God got the human body just as he wanted it, we then have Genesis two, God picked out the best two of the bunch, and breathed his own Spirit into "Adam and Eve" and they became the first two living souls. The story goes on from there. (This was about 50,000 years ago. Anthopological science doesn't really have an explanation for the dramatic increase in intelligence of man at about that time (See Spencer Wells, book and PBS TV program, Journey of Man). This explains that.

Quite simple really.

sdp

Eh...no.  This would imply that intelligence is impossible without a sinful nature, and I am pretty sure that things that would be considered a sin before this time period (murder, rape, theft) would have been sins before it as well.

May 1, 2012 -- 2:48PM, lope wrote:

But you never taught them they did not make mistakes.  You are not talking to me and my issues.  I did not assert the wretched nature of man, the pessimism, guilt and blame and all that black rukbbish.  I simply asserted our imperfection which is undeniable reality.

And what would perfection look like?