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2 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:07PM #11
Kwinters
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 11:22AM, Miguel_de_servet wrote:


... it sounds like a lazy way to wiggle one's way out of any responsibility whatsoever to your fellow man.





People seem to be focussing on only one side of the equation.


How many people here have had to rely upon the charity of others to survive?  Not gifts from friends or family, but upon handouts?


What was that like?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 1:54PM #12
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IMO There are three kinds of people who do charity work.


1) Those who sincerely desire to help others.


2) Those who do it, so they can brag about how good they are for helping all those poor pathetic unfortunates. These people may to some degree care, but not as much as they care about their bragging rights.


3) And those who do it for exclusively for a write off on their taxes, they don't give a crap about people.



The majority of people accepting charity of some kind, would prefer not too. But have no choice. Accept charity or starve or go with some other necessity.


Charity does not make people lazy, it usually IME makes people more determined to get off charity, by finding a better position. Of course if there are no positions, (jobs) that makes it harder.


Of course there are bad apples in every group. But most people IMO want to be able to make it on there own, and succeed by their own work and accomplishments.


Anyone who says those on charity are lazy, simply do not care about anyone but themselves, and it is an excuse to ignore those in need. IMHO



I have noticed that those in positions to scoff at the needy, forget, the less you have the harder you tend to work. Not always the case, but often. BIG CEO's of companies, I sincerely doubt, ever break a sweat, at least not at work. Maybe working on their golf game, but not at work.


Again does not apply to everyone, but ususally applies to those who don't give a da*n

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 3:54PM #13
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:06PM, Blü wrote:


Conclusion: the proposition is sometimes correct as to both its propositions, sometimes correct as to one of them, and sometimes outright wrong.


Which doesn't make it very helpful - a statement true of many broad generalizations.






Yep, sound right to me.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2012 - 5:10AM #14
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 9:04AM, Kwinters wrote:

“Charity degrades those who receive it and hardens those who dispense it.”


Apr 16, 2012 -- 11:22AM, Miguel_de_servet wrote:

... it sounds like a lazy way to wiggle one's way out of any responsibility whatsoever to your fellow man.


Apr 16, 2012 -- 1:07PM, Kwinters wrote:

People seem to be focussing on only one side of the equation.


How many people here have had to rely upon the charity of others to survive?  Not gifts from friends or family, but upon handouts?


What was that like?


Very hard, I suppose ...


... how is that supposed to have anything to do with the OP?


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