Apr 15, 2012 -- 8:52PM, jlb32168 wrote:

Apr 15, 2012 -- 7:19PM, Paladinsf wrote:

No, no change at all. Same question. She is allowing the Dave one.  Are there others? If so, please cite.

I think that many of the so-called ambiguous passages are only rendered ambiguous through the most tendentious, partisan interpretations that skeptics can produce, Paladin.  Suffice it to say that I will always repair to the GoJ’s Prologue as the most definitive example of NT Scripture’s intention to assert Christ’s divinity.  Only through the cleverest of semantic acrobatics can its clarion interpretation be spun to suggest something else.

Thus far, the only argument against it on this thread isn’t a question of its ambiguity, but the argument that it should be removed from consideration.  When the burden of proof is met, the next move by skeptics  is to move the goalposts.  Say, “Oh yeah, well prove your stupid deity exists”.  That trumps everything, but it’s not like the kid who runs his mouth on the basketball court, saying he can kick everyone else’s rump, and then when he starts getting his kicked, takes his ball home in mid game and says that nobody beat him.

So we can say you have no other cite to offer.

Anybody else?

And BTW, what about this is "moving the goalposts?"

Davelaw has produced an unambiguous divine(like) Christ circa 90-100 CE. My own is later.

John 4:26

Jesus said to her, "I am, ¹¹ the one who is speaking with you."

Oh, verse 26 Jesus Identified himself as God.  No two ways about it. 

Keep in mind, Jesus will either call himself Yhwh or I AM; he will not call himself "theos".  Don't click footnote 11, it won't save you.  It will just confirm what I just told you.

Want another?

Mark 6:50

But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:  For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I am [egō eimi]; be not afraid.

Unambiguous, in scripture, out of Jesus mouth, twice.....ouch!

Discuss or flee like rats... which will it be??  LOL Cleared the whole forum let alone the thread....

C'mon Paladin... don't keep us waiting!  We need our fix of  critical analysis based on close reasoning we're all jonesin here, dude

And it's been 33 41 60 deafening minutes 

Apr 15, 2012 -- 10:49PM, Paladinsf wrote:

Of course, if it really WAS unambiguous this thread would be 2 posts long. But as you see . . . 

it's awful quiet now....this is how you know you've slam dunked it.  

Shutting the board down for an hour is amazing.

"Shutting the board down for an hour is amazing."

Hardly.

Happens most every day. Just about this time. Something to with the diurnal cycle, I think.

Speaking of which . . .

Apr 15, 2012 -- 4:52PM, Kwinters wrote:

To recap:

Davelaw has produced an unambiguous divine(like) Christ circa 90-100 CE. My own is later.

Another other clear statements of Jesus as a divine being in the Christian scriptures and /or later writings?

Titus 2:13

¹¹ For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, ¹² training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, ¹³  waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

ca. 63 AD