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2 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 11:47PM #211
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 11:29PM, understandingtruth wrote:



I agree again they were active preachers but what they preached publicly was Jesus resurrected & salvation through Him, what they taught privately was principles for pursueing a life after Christ and it was to those who professed to believe in Him.


 




Forgive me...but WHAT? You say, "what they taught privately was principles for pursueing a life after Christ and it was to those who professed to believe in Him."


To teach "privately" the principles of pursuing Christ goes against everything Christ died for.


To think that the "public" message is different from the "private" message is just...well, frankly it just makes me see why people do not trust most religions.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 7:02AM #212
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:20AM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


Armageddon is just around the corner. It almost here. Watch out or it will get you.



God's promise of paradise, as Jesus promised to the evildoer hanging with him, and Peter spoke of as the 'new earth,' and Revelation 21:3,4 describes so beautifully, and several prophets described, is just around the corner.  It is almost here.  Keep spiritually awake, and you will be ready.



Well, I have to give credit to you for sounding idealistic, GTBSH, but I don't see how everything fits together when there are scriptures that use subterfuge as a means to an end...even though the scriptures also say that it is impossible for God to lie.(Hebrews 6:18, Titus 1:2)


Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:20AM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


See, the children understand.  You, however, are confused.



Actually, I'm glad that you mentioned children, GTBHS...because I found a website that features information from "The Nations" book...and I would like to share with you a few interesting paragraphs from Chapter 20 of that book.


But I do want to warn everyone that the paragraphs are long, therefore, I will emphasize with maroon the pertainent points that I wanted to convey:



15 The hordes of Gog now invade the theocratic realm of spiritual Israel and violently attempt to despoil them. The provocative act thus occurs against these outwardly undefended witnesses of Jehovah, members of the New World society. Thieflike the unannounced day and hour of God's fixed time schedule then arrives for him to go forth and fight against the enemy as when he fought in ancient times in the day of battle. (Matthew 24:36; Revelation 16:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; Zechariah 14:3, AS) With the indignation of a taunted warrior he moves in and uses his battle weapons and strategy.


16 "And it shall come to pass in that day, in the day when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah, [that] my fury shall come up in my face; for in my jealousy, in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Verily in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; so that the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the heavens, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things which creep upon the earth, and all mankind that are upon the face of the earth shall shake at my presence; and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord Jehovah: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will enter into judgment with him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many peoples that are with him, overflowing rain and great hailstones, fire and brimstone. And I will magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] Jehovah."  — Ezekiel 38:18-23, Da



But moving forward to paragraphs 19-24



19 Blood will run deep as the royal Avenger of blood on the white horse and his heavenly hosts ride their white horses of righteous, theocratic warfare into the symbolic "great winepress of the anger of God," where the "vine of the earth," the visible, earthly system weighted down with wicked offspring, has been hurled. "And the winepress was trodden outside the city [the New Jerusalem], and blood came out of the winepress as high up as the bridles of the horses, for a distance of a thousand six hundred furlongs [two hundred miles]."  — Revelation 14:18-20, NW.


20 Why should not blood run deep and far with over two billion dead? [Ed_3: Well, in 2012, the body count would now be 7 billion.] Was there ever a war of the length of Armageddon's duration that left even a billion dead? Have all the wars of mankind's existence killed directly a total of two billion warriors? The global flood of Noah's day, which the Bible uses as a prophetic type of Armageddon, drowned all humans except the eight in the ark, and the human population must then have numbered many millions. But Armageddon will be a "tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation which God created until that time and will not occur again." (Mark 13:19, NW;Matthew 24:21; Daniel 12:1) With the members of this generation that will not pass away before Armageddon breaks out numbering now two billion five hundred million and with only the remnant and a larger group of "other sheep" inside the Greater Noah's "ark" surviving, the death toll of the "war of the great day of God the Almighty" will be appallingly all-surpassing, too many for the Armageddon survivors to bury.


21 Come on, birds and beasts! Have your fill then from the human corpses in retribution for the wanton slaughter of animal and birdlife of which the human race has been guilty! Jehovah the great Avenger will give you mistreated creatures your day: "And thou, son of man, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Speak unto the birds of every wing, and to every beast of the field, Gather yourselves together, and come, assemble yourselves on every side to my sacrifice which I sacrifice for you, a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, [and] of bullocks, all of them fatted beasts of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye are full, and drink blood till ye are drunken, of my sacrifice which I sacrifice for you. And ye shall be filled at my table with horses and charioteers, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord Jehovah. And I will set my glory among the nations, and all the nations shall see my judgment which I [not Israel] have executed, and my hand which I have laid upon them. And the house of Israel shall know that I [am] Jehovah their God from that day and forward." — Ezekiel 39:17-22, Da.


22Not a human on the side against Jehovah's theocratic organization will survive. None of their dead will be given a decent burial in memorial tombs. The extent of the slaughter may be measured by the number of the enemy taking part in the war and being annihilated. The wood of the weapons of Gog's hordes, the shields, targets, bows and arrows, handstaves and spears, will be so immense a pile that it will take seven years to use it up as fuel, without collecting any wood from the forests. What wealth the exterminated ones will leave behind! The would-be despoilers of Jehovah's people will themselves be despoiled. — Ezekiel 39:8-10.


23 Some time after the war has killed off all the visible, earthly enemy the land will be cleansed of flesh-stripped, sun-bleached bones, by their being collected and put out of sight. Jehovah's decree is: "And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will give unto Gog a place there for burial in Israel, the valley of the passers-by to the east of the sea; and it shall stop [the way] of the passers-by; and there shall they bury Gog and all the multitude; and they shall call it, Valley of Hamon-Gog [meaning Multitude of Gog]. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying them [so many will be the slain], that they may cleanse the land; and all the people of the land shall bury [them]; and it shall be to them for renown in the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord Jehovah. And they shall sever out men of continual employment to go through the land, who, with the passers-by, shall bury those that remain upon the face of the land, to cleanse it: at the end of seven months shall they make a search. And the passers-by shall pass through the land, and when [any] seeth a man's bone, he shall set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon-Gog. And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah [meaning Multitude]. Thus shall they cleanse the land."


24 There will be a total cleansing of the land of unclean enemy bones. No memorial tombs symbolizing hope of a resurrection will be built for these nameless, unidentifiable bones. The name of the citylike organization for bone disposal will celebrate Jehovah's victory over so tremendous a multitude. — Ezekiel 39:11-16, Da.


www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/survivearmaged...



Now the way that I am understanding this is that not only are the governmental/military forces who attack and try to destroy the remnant of spiritual Israel and the rest of JWs, spoken against very harshly and very disparagingly, which includes their very violent and very lethiferous destruction...but also anyone else in the world who do not support JWs' interpretion of God's Kingdom(and thus, who do not support God's Kingdom in JWs' eyes)...which by default, includes them amongst Gog and Magog's hordes.


Therefore, this would include nonviolent people and people such as doctors and other health care workers who spend a good part of their lives helping and caring for the health and welfare of other people. Also, this would include sick people in hostipal and nursing homes...who may not have accepted JWs' message at one time, but who are now struggling with their health...and/or just struggling to stay alive.


Plus, as JWs have admitted before, this would also include children who will die at Armaggeddon because they are in the care of parents who have not accepted JWs' message.


But worse of all, this would include new born babies who may have just came home with their mothers from the hospital...or new born babies who are still in the hospital and who are trying to get healthier in the NICU.


However though, I personally think that it's harsh, insensitive, and non compassionate for the Bible(or JWs' interpretation of the Bible) to lump everyone together who are not associated with JWs as a group...as being part of Gog and Magog's crowd or horde. 


Plus, coupled with some of the things that GTBHS said in her post #151...


Apr 9, 2012 -- 9:14PM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


Carrion birds do eat dead bodies, so it very well may occur, however, we also understand there is imagery in the description.


*** w79 8/1 p. 32 Questions From Readers ***
Thus it shows that the execution, being left unburied and being consumed by the birds represents complete rejection by God

) On this The Tyndale New Testament Commentary states: “The picture of destruction is completed with the statement that the birds were sated with the flesh of the slain, a common piece of imagery for final disaster.”



*** w67 7/1 pp. 407-408 Can Any War Be Wholly Just? ***
The ones slaughtered at Armageddon are shown as being left as food for the carrion-eating birds of the heavens.



...I think that the Bible imagery and accomanying commentaries above, are pretty insensitive to all human beings who don't happen to agree with and embrace JWs' message...regardless of their age and their health.



Edited: Made corrections in sentence above.




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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 12:47PM #213
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REgardless of how long ago you learned the truth , some of  the constant brainwashing sticks in our minds and does confuse us. The WT was not wrong. The WAR of Armegeddon began in 1914 and is still continuing. However there will be a finale. And most of us usually only consider the finale.


So do not forget Jehovahs patiene and mercy.  How long have wars  continued on? One war for instance is called "The 2o00 year war"  and dont think that Aremegeddon wil last 200 years.


Now it says in Math 24..and THEN the end will come"  so I ask , the end of what?  Is it possible that it means the end of Satans govermental rulerships. He no longer could hold sway over the nations  so as the battle went on on earth Jehovah interfered making it possible for  various nations to have freedoms and then also to learn about  Jehovahs kingdom. How wonderful that  as soon as we accept  Jesus as our king we separate from the  nations and belong to Jehovahs kingdom, and no longer do we participate in their guilt.


It says in Dan 2 that all the nations  will fall. Is that the end  of Satans rulership that was still operating illlegally?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 12:58PM #214
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The end of what???? does the end  include all the false religons all over the earth?  Good riddance I would say for the false religions  have backed  and instigated the wars, causing so much destruction of the earth. Jesus never  condoned those wars, and Constantine set the bad example and killed and conquered instead of preaching and teaching.  So even today ignorant  of true bible teaching they will say God condoned  the  extermination of the Caananite tribes that were living  in the promised land.  Hold on there you ignorant of true bible knowedge, those  false religions killed their own children  baby boys  and virgin girls in a horrible cruel death the girls  had to  jump  alive to be burned to death, the boy babies had their genitalia removed while alive  and eaten by those pagan priests or  their hearts all to  their false gods. Surely they could have repented? But also  in their false religion they also  used beastiality. Ugg , Even animals are not that cruel and  disgusting as they were.  No war  since Constantine had that  excuse to kill and conquer. It was Greed for power on the side of the agressors.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 1:09PM #215
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Is this religion or schizophrenia? I believe that is a legitimate question, and the line between them seems very thin at this point.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 1:16PM #216
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... Hold on there you ignorant of true bible knowedge, those  false religions killed their own children  baby boys  and virgin girls in a horrible cruel death the girls  had to  jump  alive to be burned to death, the boy babies had their genitalia removed while alive  and eaten by those pagan priests or  their hearts all to  their false gods.



You JWs are always gossiping about the poor Caananites, whom the Hebrews swindled out of their country on the flimsiest of grounds:  "Our God promised us your well-tilled and watered land, like ages ago.  So hit the road Jack!"

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 1:21PM #217
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 7:02AM, Ed_3 wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:20AM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


Armageddon is just around the corner. It almost here. Watch out or it will get you.



God's promise of paradise, as Jesus promised to the evildoer hanging with him, and Peter spoke of as the 'new earth,' and Revelation 21:3,4 describes so beautifully, and several prophets described, is just around the corner.  It is almost here.  Keep spiritually awake, and you will be ready.



Well, I have to give credit to you for sounding idealistic, GTBSH, but I don't see how everything fits together when there are scriptures that use subterfuge as a means to an end...even though the scriptures also say that it is impossible for God to lie.(Hebrews 6:18, Titus 1:2)


Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:20AM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


See, the children understand.  You, however, are confused.



Actually, I'm glad that you mentioned children, GTBHS...because I found a website that features information from "The Nations" book...and I would like to share with you a few interesting paragraphs from Chapter 20 of that book.


But I do want to warn everyone that the paragraphs are long, therefore, I will emphasize with maroon the pertainent points that I wanted to convey:



15 The hordes of Gog now invade the theocratic realm of spiritual Israel and violently attempt to despoil them. The provocative act thus occurs against these outwardly undefended witnesses of Jehovah, members of the New World society. Thieflike the unannounced day and hour of God's fixed time schedule then arrives for him to go forth and fight against the enemy as when he fought in ancient times in the day of battle. (Matthew 24:36; Revelation 16:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; Zechariah 14:3, AS) With the indignation of a taunted warrior he moves in and uses his battle weapons and strategy.


16 "And it shall come to pass in that day, in the day when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah, [that] my fury shall come up in my face; for in my jealousy, in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Verily in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; so that the fish of the sea, and the fowl of the heavens, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things which creep upon the earth, and all mankind that are upon the face of the earth shall shake at my presence; and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord Jehovah: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will enter into judgment with him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many peoples that are with him, overflowing rain and great hailstones, fire and brimstone. And I will magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] Jehovah."  — Ezekiel 38:18-23, Da



But moving forward to paragraphs 19-24



19 Blood will run deep as the royal Avenger of blood on the white horse and his heavenly hosts ride their white horses of righteous, theocratic warfare into the symbolic "great winepress of the anger of God," where the "vine of the earth," the visible, earthly system weighted down with wicked offspring, has been hurled. "And the winepress was trodden outside the city [the New Jerusalem], and blood came out of the winepress as high up as the bridles of the horses, for a distance of a thousand six hundred furlongs [two hundred miles]."  — Revelation 14:18-20, NW.


20 Why should not blood run deep and far with over two billion dead? [Ed_3: Well, in 2012, the body would now be 7 billion.] Was there ever a war of the length of Armageddon's duration that left even a billion dead? Have all the wars of mankind's existence killed directly a total of two billion warriors? The global flood of Noah's day, which the Bible uses as a prophetic type of Armageddon, drowned all humans except the eight in the ark, and the human population must then have numbered many millions. But Armageddon will be a "tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation which God created until that time and will not occur again." (Mark 13:19, NW;Matthew 24:21; Daniel 12:1) With the members of this generation that will not pass away before Armageddon breaks out numbering now two billion five hundred million and with only the remnant and a larger group of "other sheep" inside the Greater Noah's "ark" surviving, the death toll of the "war of the great day of God the Almighty" will be appallingly all-surpassing, too many for the Armageddon survivors to bury.


21 Come on, birds and beasts! Have your fill then from the human corpses in retribution for the wanton slaughter of animal and birdlife of which the human race has been guilty! Jehovah the great Avenger will give you mistreated creatures your day: "And thou, son of man, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Speak unto the birds of every wing, and to every beast of the field, Gather yourselves together, and come, assemble yourselves on every side to my sacrifice which I sacrifice for you, a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, [and] of bullocks, all of them fatted beasts of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye are full, and drink blood till ye are drunken, of my sacrifice which I sacrifice for you. And ye shall be filled at my table with horses and charioteers, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord Jehovah. And I will set my glory among the nations, and all the nations shall see my judgment which I [not Israel] have executed, and my hand which I have laid upon them. And the house of Israel shall know that I [am] Jehovah their God from that day and forward." — Ezekiel 39:17-22, Da.


22Not a human on the side against Jehovah's theocratic organization will survive. None of their dead will be given a decent burial in memorial tombs. The extent of the slaughter may be measured by the number of the enemy taking part in the war and being annihilated. The wood of the weapons of Gog's hordes, the shields, targets, bows and arrows, handstaves and spears, will be so immense a pile that it will take seven years to use it up as fuel, without collecting any wood from the forests. What wealth the exterminated ones will leave behind! The would-be despoilers of Jehovah's people will themselves be despoiled. — Ezekiel 39:8-10.


23 Some time after the war has killed off all the visible, earthly enemy the land will be cleansed of flesh-stripped, sun-bleached bones, by their being collected and put out of sight. Jehovah's decree is: "And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will give unto Gog a place there for burial in Israel, the valley of the passers-by to the east of the sea; and it shall stop [the way] of the passers-by; and there shall they bury Gog and all the multitude; and they shall call it, Valley of Hamon-Gog [meaning Multitude of Gog]. And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying them [so many will be the slain], that they may cleanse the land; and all the people of the land shall bury [them]; and it shall be to them for renown in the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord Jehovah. And they shall sever out men of continual employment to go through the land, who, with the passers-by, shall bury those that remain upon the face of the land, to cleanse it: at the end of seven months shall they make a search. And the passers-by shall pass through the land, and when [any] seeth a man's bone, he shall set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon-Gog. And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah [meaning Multitude]. Thus shall they cleanse the land."


24 There will be a total cleansing of the land of unclean enemy bones. No memorial tombs symbolizing hope of a resurrection will be built for these nameless, unidentifiable bones. The name of the citylike organization for bone disposal will celebrate Jehovah's victory over so tremendous a multitude. — Ezekiel 39:11-16, Da.


www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/survivearmaged...



Now the way that I am understanding this is that not only are the governmental/military forces who attack and try to destroy the remnant of spiritual Israel and the rest of JWs, spoken against very harshly and very disparagingly, which includes their very violent and very lethiferous destruction...but also anyone else in the world who do not support JWs' interpretion of God's Kingdom(and thus, who do not support God's Kingdom in JWs' eyes)...which by default, includes them amongst Gog and Magog's hordes.


Therefore, this would include nonviolent people and people such as doctors and other health care workers who spend a good part of their lives helping and caring for the health and welfare of other people. Also, this would include sick people in hostipal and nursing homes...who may not have excepted JWs' message at one time, but who are now struggling with their health...and/or just struggling to stay alive.


Plus, as JWs have admitted before, this would also include children who will die at Armaggeddon because they are in the care of parents who have not accepted JWs' message.


But worse of all, this would include new born babies who may have just came home with their mothers from the hospital...or new born babies who are still in the hospital and who are trying to get healthier in the NICU.


However though, I personally think that it's harsh, insensitive, and non compassionate for the Bible(or JWs' interpretation of the Bible) to lump everyone together who are not associated with JWs as a group...as being part of Gog and Magog's crowd or horde. 


Plus, coupled with some of the things that GTBHS said in her post #151...


Apr 9, 2012 -- 9:14PM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


Carrion birds do eat dead bodies, so it very well may occur, however, we also understand there is imagery in the description.


*** w79 8/1 p. 32 Questions From Readers ***
Thus it shows that the execution, being left unburied and being consumed by the birds represents complete rejection by God

) On this The Tyndale New Testament Commentary states: “The picture of destruction is completed with the statement that the birds were sated with the flesh of the slain, a common piece of imagery for final disaster.”



*** w67 7/1 pp. 407-408 Can Any War Be Wholly Just? ***
The ones slaughtered at Armageddon are shown as being left as food for the carrion-eating birds of the heavens.



...I think that the Bible imagery and accomanying commentaries above, are pretty insensitive to all human beings who don't happen to agree with and embrace JWs' message...regardless of their age and their health.



Edited: Made corrections in sentence above.







WOW WTS repeat their uninspired death sentence to the world. 


This is just another example of WTS's wizards of (ID)oicy  horror/fiction writing that make normally honest people go to great lengths to defend ....dishonestly.


This link refers to the simplified WT that says with fewer words the same thing...everyone not agreeing with WTS will die.   What reproach on God.


community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/4...


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 1:22PM #218
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One phase of the WAR of Armegeddon is against the nations.Another is against the false religions  and all the while those serving Jesus are also acting as soldiers  but using the sword of the Spirit , the bible as their only weapon. And they gather  the strength , the men,out of those nations and into Jehovahs kingdom. So gradually  those nations lose strength. And the longer this goes on the more Jehovahs kingdom increases   and the weaker the nations  become. Its like the doubling principle , lets show you:


1  and 1 is 2 takes several years


2+ 2 =4


4+4= 8  witnesses


8+ 8 = 16


Now you know how it works 


and each year  an increase and as the years progress the people see


the world events and are more and more interested


If you double about 30 times it  gets to a billion!


Jehovahs witnesses are a dynamic religion not an in one ear and out the other religion. WE all help the increase and  Jehovahs kingdom will reach and teach all the inhabited earth.


None of what we teach is rebellion. We dont have an army at all, and  nations may not  offer any protection.


But who will perish?


Ps. ch. 2 speaiking to the kings or rulers " kiss the son lest God be angry and you perish"


A kiss on the cheek among Jewish brothers was a sign of a firm friendship. So ruolers that  befriend  JWs  may not perish. Those that treat us wickedly for we have not done anything wrong, they may lose their life.


It  a part of the war.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 2:13PM #219
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 11:47PM, mrjordan wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 11:29PM, understandingtruth wrote:



I agree again they were active preachers but what they preached publicly was Jesus resurrected & salvation through Him, what they taught privately was principles for pursueing a life after Christ and it was to those who professed to believe in Him.


 




Forgive me...but WHAT? You say, "what they taught privately was principles for pursueing a life after Christ and it was to those who professed to believe in Him."


To teach "privately" the principles of pursuing Christ goes against everything Christ died for.


To think that the "public" message is different from the "private" message is just...well, frankly it just makes me see why people do not trust most religions.




So in Kingdom Halls, individual(s) are never counseled privately, but publically?


In Christian churches, one can certainly have private sessions on pursuing a life after Christ. The message is tailored for the individual. There would be no need to make any obstacles and impediments the individual(s) is facing public unless their was some immediate and imminent danger to the congregation.


Why do you say this "goes against everything Christ died for"?


I don't see that at all.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 2:40PM #220
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So do you think the fall of the nations, and the fall of false religion  wraps it up?No  there will be lots of remnants of Satans system and it says in 1 Cor 15 he will rule until he has brought all authrity under him.


 


and those that dont agree? To a great extent most of the religions are destroying themselves. And it is  an inborn desire to worship what is greater than oneself. So who will they worship when their nation is gone, when the preachers for money dont get a salary .Many who never agreed ,,paul was once one... will they see the light?


Opinions can change.

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