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6 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 10:01PM #31
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 8:50PM, Rgurley4 wrote:

It is VERY simple.

To the extent that every "denomination", such as the tradition-burdened RCC, has BELIEVERS in its midst who have a spiritual RELATIONSHIP with the TRI-UNE GOD, they will see each other in the spiritual "Kingdom of Heaven".

And guess who has the "KEYS"...CLUE: it ain't Simon Peter the petulant fisherman...It ain't Paul, the greatest missionary and writer revealed in the NT...It ain't the apostles and the "church fathers'.... IT IS:

The historical Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, The Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, the God-Man, spiritual PERSON of the TRI-UNE GOD, LORD, Master, adonai, YHWH (?), The Divine One ...

who offers only uncondtional LOVE and perfect JUSTICE, and the umerited gift of Grace through spirit-led Faith unto salvation.

Jesus does not "ROLL OVER" for ANYONE!!!!

Here's my definition of "CHURCH" this by RCC theologians ...if you please....

The "CHURCH" ("The Living Church?") is the collective "Body" of BELIEVERS who are permanently indwelt by God the Holy Spirit at the time of their Salvation. The "Head" and the "Corner Stone" is God the Son, the historical person of Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ, The Messiah, The God-Man. Its "building blocks" are the "Grace through Faith" good news which guides the estranged Man to become a saved BODY + SOUL + SPIRIT.

SEE: e.g. (NASB)

Ephesians 4: 2-6; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 1:22; Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18; Revelation 22:16

Psalm 118:22
The stone (Jesus) which the builders (Israel) rejected has become the chief corner stone.(of the Church)

Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
" Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, a costly cornerstone
for the foundation, firmly placed.
He who believes in it will not be disturbed.

Who are you???? The USCCB site has the present Catholic bible in toto...............


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6 years ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 10:19AM #32
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Apr 9, 2012 -- 5:18PM, hewy1952 wrote:

This represents a lot of priests in Ireland.  I'm glad to see a response.

(More to come in the next post). 


Priests warn Vatican over move to censor Flannery

An 800-strong group of Irish priests has said it is disturbed over the  Vatican's silencing of one of its members for his liberal views.
The  Association of Catholic Priests has warned that forcing Father Tony Flannery to  stop writing for a Redemptorist magazine will fuel belief of a disconnect  between Irish Catholics and Rome.
"We believe that such an approach, in  its individual focus on Fr Flannery and inevitably by implication on the members  of the association, is an extremely ill-advised intervention in the present  pastoral context in Ireland," the group said.
"We wish to make clear our  profound view that this intervention is unfair, unwarranted and  unwise."
Fr Flannery, a founder of the association, has had his monthly  column with the religious publication Reality pulled on orders from  Rome.
A second priest, Father Gerard Moloney, the magazine's editor, has  been ordered to stop writing on certain issues.
Both priests hold liberal  views on contraception, celibacy and women priests.
At least a dozen  priests had already publicly declared support for Fr Flannery and Fr Moloney in  messages on the association's website.
In a strongly-worded statement,  the group said Fr Flannery's writings should not be seen as an attack on or  rejection of the fundamental teachings of the church but a reflection on issues  surfacing in parishes nationwide.
It said they also reject their  portrayal in some circles as a "small coterie of radical priests with a radical  agenda".
"Accordingly, we wish to register our extreme unease and  disquiet at the present development, not least the secrecy surrounding such  interventions and the questions about due process and freedom of conscience that  such interventions surface," the group said.
"At this critical juncture  in our history, the ACP believes that this form of intervention - what  Archbishop Diarmuid Martin recently called 'heresy-hunting' - is of no service  to the Irish Catholic Church and may have the unintended effect of exacerbating  a growing perception of a significant 'disconnect' between the Irish Church and  Rome."
Fr Flannery, who has written on religious matters in the  Redemptorist magazine for 14 years, is under investigation by the Vatican over  his views.
As well as expressing opposition to the church's ban on  contraception and women priests, Fr Flannery publicly backed Taoiseach Enda  Kenny's unprecedented attack on the Catholic hierarchy in the aftermath of the  Cloyne Report last year.
In a Holy Thursday homily at St Peter's Basilica  in Rome, Pope Benedict warned that the church will not tolerate priests speaking  out against Catholic teaching.

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I agree the Irish church has a lot of hutzpah in dealing with the Vatican. I think they are too catholic to take the next logical step and break with Rome.

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