May 6, 2012 -- 12:56PM, jlb32168 wrote:

BTW Blü, what does Peter mean when he says that King David said that he saw Christ in a prophetic vision and that Christ was YHWH?

In case jlb refers to this ...

₂₅ For David says about him, ‘I saw the Lord always in front of me, for he is at my right hand so that I will not be shaken. ₂₆ Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue rejoiced; my body also will live in hope, ₂₇ because you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor permit your Holy One to experience decay. ₂₈ You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of joy with your presence.’ (Acts 2:25-28; cp. Ps 16:8-11)

... then it would be interesting to know how, according to jlb, the above passage would indicate that "Christ was YHWH" ...

... in case jlb refers to this ...

₃₄ For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my lord, “Sit at my right hand ₃₅ until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’ (Acts 2:34-35; cp. Ps 110:1)

... then he should be informed that the two words that in the English translation are indiscriminately rendered with "lord" (and in the Greek LXX Septuagint with kyrios) are, in the Hebrew text of the Psalm ...

Here is the LORD’s proclamation to my lord ... (Ps 110:1)

... two completely different words:

• the former (LORD) is YHWH, the mysterious name of the One and Only God, the Father Almighty ...

• the latter (lord) is 'adown, and, as the relevant NET © Note appended to Psalm 110:1 says ...

³ sn My lord. In the psalm’s original context the speaker is an unidentified prophetic voice in the royal court. In the course of time the psalm is applied to each successive king in the dynasty and ultimately to the ideal Davidic king. NT references to the psalm understand David to be speaking about his “lord,” the Messiah. (See Matt 22:43-45; Mark 12:36-37; Luke 20:42-44; Acts 2:34-35 - bolding by MdS).

... “NT references to the psalm understand David to be speaking about his “lord,” the Messiah.”

MdS

May 7, 2012 -- 6:32AM, jlb32168 wrote:

... your [Blü's] embarrassment would only be exacerbated by the fact that you’ve hurled reckless accusations that others don’t want to “come to grips with simple English” – all while you ignore simple English – such as Peter’s speech about David ...

... it will be interesting to see if, when and how jlb "comes to grips" with MdS' post #393 ... 

MdS

May 6, 2012 -- 12:56PM, jlb32168 wrote:

BTW Blü, what does Peter mean when he says that King David said that he saw Christ in a prophetic vision and that Christ was YHWH?

May 7, 2012 -- 5:26AM, Miguel_de_servet wrote:

In case jlb refers to this ...

₂₅ For David says about him, ‘I saw the Lord always in front of me, for he is at my right hand so that I will not be shaken. ₂₆ Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue rejoiced; my body also will live in hope, ₂₇ because you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor permit your Holy One to experience decay. ₂₈ You have made known to me the paths of life; you will make me full of joy with your presence.’ (Acts 2:25-28; cp. Ps 16:8-11)

... then it would be interesting to know how, according to jlb, the above passage would indicate that "Christ was YHWH" ...

May 7, 2012 -- 6:49AM, jlb32168 wrote:

... here is the clarification.  Peter cites several Psalms here [actually two, Ps 16:8-11; Ps 110:1] and I failed to mention Psalm 16, specifically verse 8.  Peter is citing the LXX version, which reads:

For David speaketh concerning him [Christ, that is], 'I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:' [Acts 2:25 KJV]

The Hebrew translation of the same verse [this must be an inadvertent blunder: presumably jlb means "Hebrew original" ...] reads, “I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.” [Ps 16:8 KJV] and as I am sure you are aware, the word “Lord” in all majuscules is the Tetragrammaton YHWH, in English Bibles.

jlb has managed to turn the verse upside-down. 

Here is a couple of relevant commentaries.

The scripture he [Peter] refers to is that of David (Ps. 16:8–11), which, though in part applicable to David as a saint, yet refers chiefly to Jesus Christ, of whom David was a type. Here is, First, The text quoted at large (v. 25–28), for it was all fulfilled in him [Jesus Christ], and shows us, 1. The constant regard that our Lord Jesus had to his Father in his whole undertaking: I foresaw the Lord before me continually. He set before him his Father’s glory as his end in all-for he saw that his sufferings would redound abundantly to the honour of God, and would issue in his own joy; these were set before him, and these he had an eye to, in all he did and suffered; and with the prospect of these he was borne up and carried on, Jn. 13:31, 32; 17:4, 5. 2. The assurance he had of his Father’s presence and power going along with him: "He is on my right hand, the hand of action, strengthening, guiding, and upholding that, that I should not be moved, nor driven off from my undertaking, notwithstanding the hardships I must undergo.’’ This was an article of the covenant of redemption (Ps. 89:21), With him my hand shall be established, my arm also shall strengthen him; and therefore he is confident the work shall not miscarry in his hand. If God be at our right hand we shall not be moved. -- Matthew Henry, Commentary on Acts 2, @ blueletterbible.org

I foresaw the Lord always before my face; Christ always had Jehovah in view throughout the whole of his life; and in his last moments he had respect unto the glory of his perfections, as the ultimate end of his obedience and sufferings; and to his purposes, council, and covenant, which were to be accomplished by him; and to his will and command in preaching the Gospel, working miracles, going about to do good, in obeying the precept, and bearing the penalty of the law; as well as to his promises, and his power to assist, support, and preserve him, as man and Mediator: for he is on my right hand; which expresses his nearness to him, his presence with him, his readiness to assist him, and his protection of him; as if he was his second that stood by him, to take his part, and, if need be, to take up his cause, and defend him from his enemies; see Psalm 109:31. that I should not be moved; from his station, place, and duty; from the cause he was engaged in, so as to relinquish it; or with the fear of men, or fury of devils, or wrath of God, whilst he was doing and suffering, according to the will of God. -- Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible, Acts 2, @ gill.biblecommenter.com

Clearly Peter is applying the Tetragrammaton to Christ.

Clearly Peter is NOT applying the Tetragrammaton to Christ, BUT to the One and Only to Whom it belongs: the One and Only who is a se [#], YHWH God, the Father Almighty ...

MdS

[#] Perhaps jlb will want to try and defeat the reductio as absurdum that he can find at the online article Trinity and Aseity, @ maverickphilosopher.blogspot.it

jonny

And I can read the Koran.  But since it has no value to me (regardless of how it's interpreted),  I would not stoop to engaging in debate as to what Muhammad meant and telling Muslims that I was defending the Koran.   

Plainly that's a matter for you.

May 7, 2012 -- 9:34AM, Blü wrote:

jonny

And I can read the Koran.  But since it has no value to me (regardless of how it's interpreted),  I would not stoop to engaging in debate as to what Muhammad meant and telling Muslims that I was defending the Koran.   

Plainly that's a matter for you.

  

It is.  I find it to be grossly disingenuous. 

And plainly this sort of practice is fine by you.