Mormon Doctrine was actually one of several pet projects that McConkie took it upon himself to perform.
The leadership initially gave him free reign because they trusted him.
Its kind of funny that you aren't bothered by the fact that one of the people so high up on the totem pole wrote a book on the church's doctrine that ended up having to be changed in such a manner. If you're leaders aren't authorities on LDS doctrine then who is? J Oh, the blind leading the blind...
I'll say it again. Its stuff like this that just makes your leaders look about as competent as the Keystone Cops.
So you'd rather the church leadership micromanage every last little thing that goes on within the church?
You're missing my point.
Someone who is high up in the church and supposedly receives relvelation from God couldn't put together an acceptable work on church doctrine
"When you walk, you might like to take the hand of a child. She will receive your concentration and stability, and you will receive her freshness and innocence." -Tich Naht Hanh
To be honest, no Mormon I know of will take any MD citation before the '78 edition, and some won't take a citation from before '94.
You see, Mormon Doctrine was actually McConkie's pet project, and had no official sanction. The end result was that the '55 edition, which represented the first printing, was more "McConkie's personal beliefs" than actual theology.
the official website is quoting from the '55 edition... thereby blessing the book and the author as officially knowing what they're talking about.
"The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others. It is a large group of great people." (Spencer W. Kimball, "Of Royal Blood," Ensign, July 1971, p. 7).
there's enough money for free college and health care, it's not a matter of HAVING the money, it's a matter of priorities. and this country feels death and murder of foreigners through war is more important than the health and well being of its own citizens.
Ironhold, thanks! It's good to learn that the LDS never taught that Indians are "cursed" with dark skin and will turn "white and delightsome" if they convert to Mormonism.............
What not a lot of people realize is that back in the very early 1800s, "white" was often used as a synonym for "pure"; conversely, "dark" was often used as a synonym for "corrupted".
Although there was a slight shift in the RGB color scheme for the Lamanites - a needed visual cue that the Nephites needed to keep their distance because of the blood feud that was going on - the greater difference between the two peoples actually wound up being the fact that the Lamanites stalled out technologically.
In fact, there are multiple places in the Book of Mormon (so many, in fact, that even the TV Tropes Wiki picked up on it) where the Lamanites went to battle with only skins & primitive weapons; given that the Nephites had rigged up some sort of dedicated armor (even padded leather clothing has its uses) and were using more advanced weapons, the battles tended to be one-sided unless the Lamanites simply won via sheer force of numbers.
Joseph Smith himself authorized the change from "white" to "pure" as early as 1840, but the total disruption of church activities due to both his murder and the flight to Utah meant that the change - like a number of other edits - wound up not getting implemented as originally planned; the presses in England took over sole printing duties for over a decade, during which they never received a copy of JS' revisions.
Battles in the BoM with the combatants wearing padded brassieres is certainly one of the most comic aspects of Iron's avoidance, and artless dodging. I haven't laughed at rank ham-handedness in Mopology in a long, long while.
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"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore."
(Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:36; italics in original).
the official website is quoting from the '55 edition... thereby blessing the book and the author as officially knowing what they're talking about.
Actually, we're talking about an entirely different book.
"Doctrines of Salvation" was a compilation of sermons and public statements made by President Joseph Fielding Smith, with a limited amount of paraphrasing and editing for the sake of distilling the messages down.
The work we're talking about is "Mormon Doctrine".
That's something rather large for you to miss.
"The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others. It is a large group of great people." (Spencer W. Kimball, "Of Royal Blood," Ensign, July 1971, p. 7).
Someone who is high up in the church and supposedly receives relvelation from God couldn't put together an acceptable work on church doctrine
Again - do you want the church to be micro-managing people?
MD was his own personal work done on his own personal time.
That it was printed by Deseret Book rather than the church itself should tell you that he never even sought official permission, a process that would have caught everything.
In fact, it's not the first time that internal debates have brewed over different works that high-level members of the church have written.
What it shows is that the members - including the high-level ones - still have their free will.
Again - do you want the church to be micro-managing people?
MD was his own personal work done on his own personal time.
Habala?! can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of his point was not that the lds church should be "micromanaging". Rather, I thought Habala?! was saying that an individual holding an apparently somewhat lofty position in the lds church should not have made the mistakes in his book that you have stated he did. He should have had a better understanding of what his church's position was.
"When you walk, you might like to take the hand of a child. She will receive your concentration and stability, and you will receive her freshness and innocence." -Tich Naht Hanh
Again - do you want the church to be micro-managing people?
MD was his own personal work done on his own personal time.
Habala?! can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of his point was not that the lds church should be "micromanaging". Rather, I thought Habala?! was saying that an individual holding an apparently somewhat lofty position in the lds church should not have made the mistakes in his book that you have stated he did. He should have had a better understanding of what his church's position was.
That's why the church as a requirement that anything to be considered official must pass muster with the overall church leadership - one person might get something wrong, but the entire leadership as a whole can usually work to mitigate such errors and ensure that things are doctrinally consistent.
McConkie didn't get official sanction for anything he wrote, which is why nobody found out about the jive he was pulling until it was too late.
Again, it seems odd that a person in his position within your church hierarchy would have made the kinds of mistakes you've stated he did at all. One would think that an individual in his position would have had a better understanding of the lds teachings.
Did he remain in his position once the errors (whatever they were) in his book became apparent?
Again - do you want the church to be micro-managing people?
MD was his own personal work done on his own personal time.
Habala?! can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding of his point was not that the lds church should be "micromanaging". Rather, I thought Habala?! was saying that an individual holding an apparently somewhat lofty position in the lds church should not have made the mistakes in his book that you have stated he did. He should have had a better understanding of what his church's position was.
That's why the church as a requirement that anything to be considered official must pass muster with the overall church leadership - one person might get something wrong, but the entire leadership as a whole can usually work to mitigate such errors and ensure that things are doctrinally consistent.
McConkie didn't get official sanction for anything he wrote, which is why nobody found out about the jive he was pulling until it was too late.
So, Mormon "leaders" operate upon the "oops!" principle. What happened to the drones' insistence that "the church will never lead the drones astray"?
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"Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore."