May 2, 2012 -- 8:22AM, mecdukebec wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 8:59PM, Habala?! wrote:

Close. The Jaredites supposedly came in windowless submarine like barges. The Lamenites and Nephite came later and both originated from a small group of Hebrews that came in a boat designed with divine inspiration. You pretty much got the rest of it right.

Then how did les Sioux and les Iroquois garner French names?  See, you weren't expecting the original Israelitish Francophones of the New World being here, first!  The Pilgrims of Massachusetts Bay were met by First Nations people quoting Voltaire.  That's a fact, just like the BoM is, too. 

Candide is one of my favorites, so I'm inclined to believe.

May 3, 2012 -- 1:10AM, Habala?! wrote:

There is also the fact that the BoM mentions metal swords with hilts and sharp tips.

11 And again, they have brought swords, the hilts thereof have perished, and the blades thereof were cankered with rust;

now if someone can get obsidian to rust...

we might be able to see a connection here

the problem is, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wood and obsidian do NOT rust.

so now we can completely forget about clubs, sticks, and sharp rocks because the comparison simply does not relate to metal swords.

there is absolutely no metallurgy for weapons found ANYWHERE in north or south america.

May 3, 2012 -- 1:51AM, Aka_me wrote:

May 3, 2012 -- 1:10AM, Habala?! wrote:

There is also the fact that the BoM mentions metal swords with hilts and sharp tips.

11 And again, they have brought swords, the hilts thereof have perished, and the blades thereof were cankered with rust;

now if someone can get obsidian to rust...

we might be able to see a connection here

the problem is, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wood and obsidian do NOT rust.

so now we can completely forget about clubs, sticks, and sharp rocks because the comparison simply does not relate to metal swords.

there is absolutely no metallurgy for weapons found ANYWHERE in north or south america.

I'll have to go back and dig out my book, but copper tools have been discovered. that date back to the right period.

And as anyone who's ever dealt with copper can tell you, it does indeed discolor and even corrode under certain circumstances.

In fact, back in the days of the USSR, there was a major struggle between the chemical companies and the pipe manufacturers. Certain chemicals just ate metal pipes for lunch, but the pipe manufacturers refused to produce plastic pipes because their quotas were established in terms of weight rather than length; plastic was so much lighter that the pipe manufacturers would have to work twice as hard to meet their quotas.

there is absolutely no metallurgy for weapons found ANYWHERE in north or south america.

Actually, the Haida, Tlingit, and Kwakiutl of the Pacific Northwest used native copper in artwork, and I'm sure it's not a stretch to think they might have fashioned a knife or two if they had found a big enought piece.

BTW, do the Mormons still think the "Laminites" built Teothuacan in Central Mexico, about 40 miles north of Mexico City?  Awhile back, somebody on this board said the "cement" found there proves the Laminites built it.  The "cement" of course, is stucco which all MesoAmericans made by burning limestone.

In any case, the Romans invented cement--even cement which hardens and cures underwater.  The wharves of ancient Ephesus are made of such.  I've been there.

May 3, 2012 -- 2:44PM, Ironhold wrote:

I'll have to go back and dig out my book, but copper tools have been discovered. that date back to the right period.

And as anyone who's ever dealt with copper can tell you, it does indeed discolor and even corrode under certain circumstances.

The term "rusting" is reserved for the corrosion of iron.

Copper does not rust. Rust is a mixture of hydrated iron oxides so, by definition, if will only form on iron and iron-rich materials (such as some types of steel). Copper can get a covering of Verdigris, which is a green-colored compound.

as anyone who's ever dealt with copper can tell you... green or brown is NOT considered rust.

9 And I said: Lord, whither shall I go that I may find ore to molten