| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 1:11PM #1 | |
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In my readings I discovered the pure land idea. Something like this is what I think Jesus was saying in his Kingdom of heaven talks. The kingdom is like a mustard seed that grows until it gives home to all.
The kingdom of heaven/pure land begins with each of us. I think early Christianity was influenced by Buddhist and Hindu thought and think maybe Jesus was too. The kingdom Jesus was talking about was something greater than a political economic state. The idea that he could establish that greater state of life is similar to Pureland Buddhist thought, in my opinion. |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 1:33PM #2 | |
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It is indeed like christianity, but it appears you didn't read very much: Pure landers, like christians, believe their pure land is found after death. Not here, not now, not within-but in a world elsewhere, after they die. |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 2:21PM #3 | |
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I just can't understand, dio, why you can't let Christianity remain Christianity and Buddhism remain Buddhism. Just because they have similarities, that doesn't make them the same thing. |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 3:16PM #4 | |
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DIO: Here you go again, proselytizing for DIOism. I know a little about The Pure Land sect. Here in Hawaii I think it is the largest sect of many Buddhist sects. I know quite a few Pure Land Buddhists although they refer to themselves as Buddhist. They have adjusted nicely so that they don't seem so different. They used to provide a weekly dharma talk, which I enjoyed. One problem you may have is that centrally, they are still Buddhist, not Christian. I myself often think of The Pure Land as being like Buddhist heaven. But again, you bastardize Buddhism when you refer to the Pure Land being during this lifetime. That isn't what the Pure Land teach. But they do, at least in Hawaii, offer Sunday school and their Priests are referred to as Reverend. Most American. Many believe in the supernatural stories like flowers raining down from Heaven when The Buddha was born, that he never experienced or was witness to suffering as a young man, that he was the most skilled at all he did as a young man, or that sort of like Davey Crockett who grinned him a bear (pronounced bar) to death when he was only three, The Buddha stopped a stampeding elephant just before being trampled with just a look. Rather than distort Buddhism again I suggest you go here www.shindharmanet.com/ and talk with Pure Land Buddhists directly, the B-net Pure Land forum is quite inactive, and see if they agree with your thoughts or possibly you can convert them to DIOism. Bob
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 3:19PM #5 | |
Agree with all that Bob, and Dioism aside: I especially like the part about the "grinned a BAR to death" lol. |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 3:25PM #6 | |
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Also, I don't know much about Pure Land Buddhists either, but I know enough that Dio indeed bastardized the foundations of their beliefs. And what I know is based on a close friend of mine, I've known her for about 20 years now. She practices Nichiren Buddhism like myself, but was raised in a Pureland Buddhism family, and didn't convert until she was 18 I believe, she's now 75. So like Bob O, I have personal experience, in my case with a former Pure Land person. How many pure land buddhists does dio know I wonder? This is what I know: This sect, like my own, arose around 12th or 13th Century Japan and became very popular, it is called "Jodo Shu" which means "School of Pure Land [Buddhism]" and "Jodo Shinshu" which means "TRUE School of Pure Land [Buddhism]", founded by Shinran-or as they refer to him "Shinran Shonin" (shonin is a term applied to a preist). He taught that Amida Buddha could save people. One had to devote themself TO Amida Buddha. They did so by chanting their devotion accordingly: "Nam Amida Butsu" (ie, I devote myself to the Buddha Amida". A daily practice, typically performed at a home altar. By repeating this mantra (and I assume faith is required) they would be reborn in the "Pure Land of Perfect Bliss". I believe this is in the "western region of the Universe" as they believe. Lastly, I assume: This concept is based on the idea of a Buddha who instead of "entering Nirvana", chooses to stay in the world and help others achieve enlightenment-in this case, obviously in an afterlife rebirth. So note: the "REBIRTH" part-that means NOT IN THIS LIFE dio, thus you bastardized it. Note the "Pure Land of Perfect Bliss" in the "Western region of the Universe"... again, NOT HERE, NOT ON PLANET EARTH, thus again-you bastardized it. It is indeed arguably the Buddhism MOST like christianity. But you aren't describing chrisitanity, nor Buddhism (pure land or otherwise), you are describing Dioism. This is basically making TWO STRAWMEN and then tying them together with some bailing wire. Nothing fancier Dio. Your love of strawmen makes me wonder why you don't find Bahai attractive. |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 3:47PM #7 | |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 3:51PM #8 | |
First, why dont' you take Bob's advice and ASK THEM. Second, you've more than proven that you are capable of redesigning any philosophy or religion you come across to suit your needs (ie you are a master of strawmen), so from YOUR perspective the answer is: Of course, you can combine anything Dio, with enough Dio-it's all the same. |
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 4:17PM #9 | |
because Buddhism is not specific in describing what it is, and what it is not. had Buddhism been specific in describing what it is and what it is not... there would never have been divisions, fractioning, splinters, schisms, and denominations. Buddhism does not say "do not mix religions". if some members choose to mix their Hinduism with Buddhism, there is no reason preventing other members from mixing their Christianity and Buddhism.
there's enough money for free college and health care, it's not a matter of HAVING the money, it's a matter of priorities. and this country feels death and murder of foreigners through war is more important than the health and well being of its own citizens.
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| 1 year ago :: Feb 25, 2012 - 4:27PM #10 | |
Then you have taken on the burden of showing that the Pure Land of Pure Land Buddhism is in THIS WORLD. Otherwise, your point is a fallacy, care to back it up? |
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