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Scientific accuracy of Jehovah's Witnesses literature
4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 1:55PM #1
Newtonian
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You all - please specify what was actually published (reference) and whether you believe the point is accurate or not.   I will start with a few examples from our website:

I will start with these links and let you all pick examples from them - as I am super busy now, I will post details later - or post your own links, of course!  Please start off with links, as both our literature and scientific literature which is older tends to be less accurate.   Links to our site tend to be recent.

www.watchtower.org/e/201011a/article_01....

www.watchtower.org/e/200609a/article_01....

www.watchtower.org/e/20040122a/article_0...

www.watchtower.org/e/20040622/article_01...

More to follow later - I must go offline for awhile - responsibilities.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 2:11PM #2
Newtonian
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www.watchtower.org/e/201011/article_01.h...

www.watchtower.org/e/19960122/article_01...

www.watchtower.org/e/19960122/article_02...

www.watchtower.org/e/19960122/article_03...

www.watchtower.org/e/201102c/article_01....

www.watchtower.org/e/20000822a/article_0...

www.watchtower.org/e/20040622/diagram_01...

I will emphasize this link first:

www.watchtower.org/e/19990908a/article_0...

Is this article in our literature concerning messenger RNA and transfer RNA accurate?
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 2:25PM #3
Kemmer
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You all - please specify what was actually published (reference) and whether you believe the point is accurate or not.   I will start with a few examples from our website:
I will start with these links and let you all pick examples from them - as I am super busy now, I will post details later - or post your own links, of course!  Please start off with links, as both our literature and scientific literature which is older tends to be less accurate.   Links to our site tend to be recent.



Over the past several decades--since the 70s actually--I've read enough issues of the WT and Awake to consider them to be on a par with a semi-pious National Inquirer.  Sorry.


If you want to know anything about "Science" apart from "unspinnable" facts, leave the JW publications alone.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 3:39PM #4
cherubino
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The rather exquisite irony is that scientists themselves don't transmit information in this manner, neither to each other nor to the general public.


Michael Polanyi explains why:


"The amount of knowledge which we can justify from evidence directly available to us can never be large. The overwhelming proportion of our factual beliefs continue therefore to be held at second hand through trusting others, and in the great majority of cases our trust is placed in the authority of comparatively few people of widely acknowledged standing...

"Nobody knows more than a tiny fragment of science well enough to judge its validity and value at first hand. For the rest he has to rely on views accepted at second hand on the authority of a community of people accredited as scientists. But this accrediting depends in its turn on a complex organization. For each member of the community can judge at first hand only a small number of his fellow members, and yet eventually each is accredited by all. What happens is that each recognizes as scientists a number of others by whom he is recognized as such in return, and these relations form chains which transmit these mutual recognitions at second hand through the whole community. This is how each member becomes directly or indirectly accredited by all. The system extends into the past. Its members recognize the same set of persons as their masters and derive from this allegiance a common tradition, of which each carries on a particular strand."

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 3:49PM #5
Knowsnothing
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On www.watchtower.org/e/20040122a/article_0...


Also, she told my wife that during the Bible study scheduled for the following week, they would consider a Bible prophecy showing that 1914 was a significant year. That was exactly the opening I needed! I told the Witness that I would be at home for the next Bible discussion. I wanted to check the mathematical accuracy of what she was going to discuss about the year 1914.


In my mind, 1914 as being predicted through 607 BCE has been totally debunked.  Talk about mathematical accuracy.  Undecided

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 4:45PM #6
cherubino
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There's a reason why all scientific claims are subject to peer review. Any molecular biologist who solicited man-in-the-street opinions to validate his claims would, by that fact alone and regardless of any real merit his claims might possibly have, completely lose his cedibility with both his peers and the general public. It's not so much the information that's de facto suspect here, but the total absence of standard scientific protocol.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 5:56PM #7
Newtonian
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You all - Of course, we have plenty of additional literature concerning science which is not available on our website.   The most recent are two brochures published in 2010, to wit:

The Origin of Life—Five Questions Worth Asking, 2010

Was Life Created?, 2010

However,I suspect if we start discussing these, the thread will be moved to the Origin of Life section.

More likely I will simply start a thread there discussing those two brochures.


However, the latter brochure starts off discussion earth - e.g. fine tuning of the earth - and this is different than Origin of life.   Here are the references in the Bibliography of the first chapter in the latter brochure:

The Living Planet
 1. Scientific American, Special Issue 2008 entitled “Majestic Universe,” p. 11.
 2. Perfect Planet, Clever Species—How Unique Are We? by William C. Burger, 2003, pp. 24, 34.
 3. Rare Earth—Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, by Peter D. Ward and Donald Brownlee, 2000, p. 224.
 4. The Sacred Balance—Rediscovering Our Place in Nature, by David Suzuki, 2007, p. 102.
 5. God and the New Cosmology—The Anthropic Design Argument, by M. A. Corey, 1993, pp. 144-145.
Box: Teeming With Life
 6. Wildlife in a Changing World—An Analysis of the 2008 IUCN Red List of Threatened Species, edited by Jean-Christophe Vié, Craig Hilton-Taylor, and Simon N. Stuart, 2009, p. 6.
 7. Journal of Industrial Microbiology, “Total Bacterial Diversity in Soil and Sediment Communities—A Review,” by V. Torsvik, R. Sørheim, and J. Goksøyr, Volume 17, 1996, pp. 170-178.
 8. Science, “Environmental Genomics Reveals a Single-Species Ecosystem Deep Within Earth,” by Dylan Chivian, et al, Volume 322, October 10, 2008, pp. 275-278.
 9. Scientific American, “Microbe Census Reveals Air Crawling With Bacteria,” by David Biello, www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?i...

If you wish to discuss any of these references, let me know so I can post what our literature has to say when referencing said source.
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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 6:05PM #8
Newtonian
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Feb 17, 2012 -- 3:49PM, Knowsnothing wrote:

On www.watchtower.org/e/20040122a/article_0...


Also, she told my wife that during the Bible study scheduled for the following week, they would consider a Bible prophecy showing that 1914 was a significant year. That was exactly the opening I needed! I told the Witness that I would be at home for the next Bible discussion. I wanted to check the mathematical accuracy of what she was going to discuss about the year 1914.


In my mind, 1914 as being predicted through 607 BCE has been totally debunked.  Talk about mathematical accuracy. 






Interesting that you should choose history (and prophecy) as the field of science to start with - I would not have expected that!   But History it is (I would have preferred chemistry, microbiology or some other science).

607 has been totally debunked?  Really? 

We had a recent article on history in support of 607 BCE - have you researched it yet?

Now, it is so new I may have trouble finding it!  So if anyone else finds it first - please post the reference!

The conclusion of the article is that secular chronology contradicting 607 BCE is on shaky ground and that Biblical chronology is more accurate.  I will search for the article.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 6:07PM #9
Kemmer
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If you wish to discuss any of these references, let me know so I can post what our literature has to say when referencing said source.



I'm sure that whatever "your literature" has to say about any of those articles would only be read by non-JWs as amusement material.


Tell me, Newt, do all JWs think/pretend to think T-rexes were vegans, or is that your personal theory?


"Stalking the Wild Gladiola Bulbs With the Velocoraptor"

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 6:13PM #10
Kemmer
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The conclusion of the article is that secular chronology contradicting 607 BCE is on shaky ground and that Biblical chronology is more accurate.



Biblical chronology is what the individual religious sects say it is, I've discovered.  I'll stick with the secular, thanks awfully.

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