Advertisement
 
Post Reply
Page 1 of 4  •  1 2 3 4 Next
Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses Who they are? What do they believe?
4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 11:36AM #1
Presentsiimpletense
Posts: 796

Apostate Jehovahs's Witnesses DO NOT blaspheme the truthful operation of God's Holy Spirit.  They reject WTS gb and jw claims that all their teaching and publications are directly a result of God's spirit direction, and "under operation of the holy spirit" uninspired humans print,publish, and preach worldwide their "possible explanations" that change due to error as "truth" "coming from God".


Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT add to God's word and reject WTS gb and jw teaching that Jesus is NOT the medieator for all mankind.

Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT misrepresent true bible teachings as a means to control the life and death medical decisions of others they reject WTS gb and jw teaching that to abstain from blood means to  take in ONLY "fractons of  blood"  and blood derived products.



Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT threaten their fellow humans and fellow christians with destruction and death if they reject their idealogy.


community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/4...

To be continued

Formerly known as Imperfectense

In the vindication of the truth
Quick Reply
Cancel
4 months ago  ::  Feb 17, 2012 - 11:48PM #2
Oeste
Posts: 2,175

Feb 17, 2012 -- 11:36AM, Presentsiimpletense wrote:


Apostate Jehovahs's Witnesses DO NOT blaspheme the truthful operation of God's Holy Spirit.  They reject WTS gb and jw claims that all their teaching and publications are directly a result of God's spirit direction, and "under operation of the holy spirit" uninspired humans print,publish, and preach worldwide their "possible explanations" that change due to error as "truth" "coming from God".


Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT add to God's word and reject WTS gb and jw teaching that Jesus is NOT the medieator for all mankind.

Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT misrepresent true bible teachings as a means to control the life and death medical decisions of others they reject WTS gb and jw teaching that to abstain from blood means to  take in ONLY "fractons of  blood"  and blood derived products.


Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses DO NOT threaten their fellow humans and fellow christians with destruction and death if they reject their idealogy.


community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/4...

To be continued





Well, there "beginning to sound a lot like Christians..."

Quick Reply
Cancel
4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 8:45AM #3
matica
Posts: 2,518

Becoming an apostate to the jw's has led lots of others like myself to become apostates to all of Christianity.

Quick Reply
Cancel
4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 9:12AM #4
Kemmer
Posts: 12,481

Thanks to the JWs and Mormons, the ancient word apostate has been diluted into meaninglessness.  Thus it now means nothing stronger than 'dissident'.

Quick Reply
Cancel
4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 10:07AM #5
Presentsiimpletense
Posts: 796

Reasons why the WTS fear Apostate Jehovah's Witnesses


www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/aposta...



They even admit that an apostate is not an apostate against God and the Bible per se,


but against WTS's "possible explanations" WTS's teachings on the bible.


NOTE WTS's "possible explantions" are not always what the bible really teaches



"Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates." Pay Attention to Yourself and to All the Flock p.94

Formerly known as Imperfectense

In the vindication of the truth
Quick Reply
Cancel
4 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 10:36AM #6
Presentsiimpletense
Posts: 796


Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.11
"Apostates “quietly” bring their ideas into the congregation, like criminals who secretly bring things into a country. Apostates use “counterfeit words.” This means that they say things that make their false ideas sound true, like criminals who make false documents look real. They try to get as many people as possible to believe their “deceptive teachings.” Peter also said that they like twisting the Scriptures. They explain Bible verses in the wrong way to make others believe their ideas. (2 Peter 2:1, 3, 13; 3:16) Apostates do not care about us. If we follow them, we will leave the road to everlasting life.
... The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them. (1 Timothy 6:3, 4) Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers. We must always be determined to follow his warning.
What must we do to avoid false teachers? We do not speak to them or invite them into our houses. We also do not read their books, watch them on television, read what they write on the Internet, or add our own comments about what they write on the Internet. Why are we so determined to avoid them? First of all, it is because we love “the God of truth.” So we do not want to listen to false teachings that go against the truth in God’s Word."



When making a critical and  careful examination of WTS publications  the above ACTUALLY DISCRIBES WTS METHODS, AND TEACHINGS FROM 1879,  SINCE MOST OF WHAT THEY TAUGHT SINCE THEN HAS BEEN APOSTIASIZED FROM, ALTHOUGH THEY CLAIM IT WAS ALL "SPIRIT LED" WTS ARE APOSTATES FROM THEIR OWN "BIBLE TRUTHS"..


.THOSE WHO HAVE REJECTED WTS POISONOUS, MENTALLY DISEASED ATTACK ON GODS WORD OF TRUTH AND THE TRUTHFUL OPERATION OF GODS SPIRIT  AND WISH TO WARN OF THIS...THIS IS WTS FEAR AND MOTIVE  FOR VILIFICATION AND SLANDER OF THOSE WHO WILL NOT SHARE IN WTS BLASPHEMY.


Apostate Jehovahs Witnesses would follow the bible's counsel about anyone who apostasize and blasphem against Jehovah:


Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers. We must always be determined to follow his warning.
What must we do to avoid false teachers? We do not speak to them or invite them into our houses. We also do not read their books, watch them on television, read what they write on the Internet, or add our own comments about what they write on the Internet. Why are we so determined to avoid them? First of all, it is because we love “the God of truth.” So we do not want to listen to false teachings that go against the truth in God’s Word."

Formerly known as Imperfectense

In the vindication of the truth
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 2:12PM #7
older
Posts: 9,163

Apostates usually are more than dissident Kenner. They are usually disobedient and try to rationalize their disobedient  beleifs.


We clealy  know that the GB  repeats what Jesus tells his close followers, to be united, in a bond of love. They just dont get it, that when they leave  JWs they are rejecting Jesus as their appointed ruler.Some were disfellowshipped for lacking respect for life... like one locally who had speeding tickets. He reasoned it isnt bad to drive faster than the limit, because I pay the fines. Well, Jesus said to obey the superior authorities. And above the superior authorites is  Jehovah, and Christ , who are the supreme authorities.  I never drank much and  I didnt deserve that DUI that  I had to pay for. It was just a littler over the limit.


What king of an example is he? Not a good one. And a few years later, his son drank with him, killed a woman and 2 kids, spent  5 years in jail. He should have obeyed Jesus.


During that time he was against JWs for he said they are not going to run my life.


What he did not accept is that laws are  required by Jehovah for the  superior authorities to enforce . And they protect us and others. He was like Satan when  Satan said you can be like gods and  decide for yourself what is right and what is wrong.


Jehovah knows best. Some never want to accept that.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 2:32PM #8
Presentsiimpletense
Posts: 796

Feb 18, 2012 -- 2:12PM, older wrote:



We clealy  know that the GB  repeats what Jesus tells his close followers, to be united, in a bond of love.




WTS also blasphemes the truthful operation of God's holy spirit by repeatedly printing, publishing and preaching worldwide that they are "under the operation of holy spirit"  that their teachings are" not from men but from God"yet they say they are not inspired such confusion and dishonesty! Jehovahs's Witness Apostates never make such dishonest claims about God.


"under the operation" of a spirit indeed WTS printed, published, and preached the following this was after their supposed vist from God and Jesus in1918-1919 as "channel" of "truth" from God.



community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/4...


Formerly known as Imperfectense

In the vindication of the truth
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 3:05PM #9
Newtonian
Posts: 7,234

Feb 18, 2012 -- 2:12PM, older wrote:


Apostates usually are more than dissident Kenner. They are usually disobedient and try to rationalize their disobedient  beleifs.


We clealy  know that the GB  repeats what Jesus tells his close followers, to be united, in a bond of love. They just dont get it, that when they leave  JWs they are rejecting Jesus as their appointed ruler.Some were disfellowshipped for lacking respect for life... like one locally who had speeding tickets. He reasoned it isnt bad to drive faster than the limit, because I pay the fines. Well, Jesus said to obey the superior authorities. And above the superior authorites is  Jehovah, and Christ , who are the supreme authorities.  I never drank much and  I didnt deserve that DUI that  I had to pay for. It was just a littler over the limit.


What king of an example is he? Not a good one. And a few years later, his son drank with him, killed a woman and 2 kids, spent  5 years in jail. He should have obeyed Jesus.


During that time he was against JWs for he said they are not going to run my life.


What he did not accept is that laws are  required by Jehovah for the  superior authorities to enforce . And they protect us and others. He was like Satan when  Satan said you can be like gods and  decide for yourself what is right and what is wrong.


Jehovah knows best. Some never want to accept that.





Older - indeed, that is true - there are many kinds of apostates - some are indeed more than dissident.   And, of course, many simply leave Jehovah's Witnesses and are never disfellowshipped because they are not behaving like the apostates the Bible warns against.


Jesus warned against some who would actually beat fellow slaves of Jesus - as indeed some have done on this forum.   These are singled out by Jesus as the evil slave, to wit:


(Matthew 24:45-51) . . .“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings. 48 “But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.


It is just as Paul explained:


(2 Timothy 2:14-18) . . .Keep reminding them of these things, charging them before God as witness, not to fight about words, a thing of no usefulness at all because it overturns those listening. 15 Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright. 16 But shun empty speeches that violate what is holy; for they will advance to more and more ungodliness, 17 and their word will spread like gangrene. Hy·me·nae′us and Phi·le′tus are of that number. 18 These very [men] have deviated from the truth, . . .


All due caution is in order when responding to people like this - frankly it is best not to respond - but if you do - please note Jesus' warning in his sermon on the mount:


(Matthew 7:6) 6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip YOU open.


Some of the evil slave do not simply beat fellow slaves of Jesus - if you respond to these ones, Jesus warns they will seek to rip you open!


That is a serious warning!



 




 

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 months ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 7:51PM #10
Presentsiimpletense
Posts: 796

Apostate Jehovahs Witnesses have proven on every level with WTS own contradictory teachings that WTS's gb have fullfilled indeed this scripture:



(2 Timothy 2:18) . . . 18 These very [men] have deviated from the truth, . .

Formerly known as Imperfectense

In the vindication of the truth
Quick Reply
Cancel
Page 1 of 4  •  1 2 3 4 Next
Post Reply
 
    Viewing this thread :: 0 registered and 1 guest
    No registered users viewing
    Advertisement

    Beliefnet On Facebook