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1 year ago  ::  Mar 20, 2012 - 6:37PM #141
Goodtobehomestill
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Mar 19, 2012 -- 11:44PM, Ed2 wrote:


Also, GTBSH, I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being "concerned that God had to use subterfuge as a means to an end" in my post #137.




I was unaware that I am obligated to challenge every single one of your opinions?

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 25, 2012 - 3:26AM #142
Ed2
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Mar 20, 2012 -- 6:37PM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


Mar 19, 2012 -- 11:44PM, Ed2 wrote:


Also, GTBSH, I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being "concerned that God had to use subterfuge as a means to an end" in my post #137.




I was unaware that I am obligated to challenge every single one of your opinions?




LOL So sorry, so sorry, but that's funny, GTBHS. LOL Smile

I think that it's pretty sad and pretty unbelievable that there are so many healthy, powerful, and healing foods that I have learned about from watching "The Doctor Oz Show"...but unfortunately, most Americans from their childhood on up, have only learned how to eat what is essentially equivalent to 'garbage'...and are basically in a 'slumber' when it comes to not having a clue as to what that kind of food is doing to their bodies and to their health. It's really sad.

~Ed2

"Hmmm. So you're saying that for Jesus' followers(throughout the centuries) to truly live a 'godly' life, they had to believe that the end of the world was just around the corner?"

~Ed2(See post #53)

"Although, I think that I'll change that to: Also...I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being 'concerned that the Bible had to use subterfuge as a means to an end' in my post #137."

~Ed2(See post #145)

"It's utterly beyond belief, that the wealthiest country in the history of the world, fails to care for all it's people."

~Dr. Patrick Dowling, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 11/23/11.)

"If I could prescribe any drug on the planet, it would be food [be]cause it works better, faster, and cheaper than any medication. Food is the most powerful medicine we have...to treat chronic disease like diabetes."

~Dr. Mark Hyman, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 01/13/12. Also, go to www.doctoroz.com for more information.)
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 25, 2012 - 7:51AM #143
Presentsiimpletense
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Through the means of the atonement, which is the message of the reconciliation, which means restoring us to our proper relationship with God.  (Which is huge evidence for God's personality, how much effort he has gone through to reconcile with us!)


(2 Corinthians 5:19) . . .that God was by means of Christ reconciling a world to himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses, and he committed the word of the reconciliation to us.




me·di·a·tor


n.
1. One that mediates, especially one that reconciles differences between disputants.


1.mediator- a negotiator who acts as a link between parties


go-between, intercessor, intermediary, intermediator

mediatrix - a woman who is a mediator

conciliator, make-peace, pacifier, peacemaker, reconciler - someone who tries to bring peace


What about the resounding evidence that Jesus Christ IS THE" MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN" .... ALL MANKIND AS DIVINE SCRIPTURE PROVES OVER AND OVER!


And WTS jws deny, and parce, and exclude to only a symbolic number, of humans specifically today the  'responsible' stooges at brooklyn (gb) who self aggrandize themselves as the only ones through whom everyone else can get to Christ and then to God!


Blasphemy against the truthful operation of God's Holy Spirit by any other name!


Yet humble credentiald bible scholars concur with what "the bible really teaches":



Barnes' Notes on the Bible

For there is one God - This is a reason for offering prayer for all people, and for the declaration 1 Timothy 2:4 that God desires that all people should be saved.


(...)


The argument is, that there is the same Mediator between God and all people. He is not the Mediator between God and a part of the human race, but between "God and men," implying that He desired the salvation of the race. Whatever love there was in giving the Mediator at all, was love for all the race; whatever can be argued from that about the interest which God has in man, is proof of his interest in the race at large.


It is proper, therefore, to pray for all. It may be remarked here that there is but one Mediator. There is not one for kings and another for their subjects; one for the rich and another for the poor; one for the master and another for the slave.


All are on the same level, and the servant may feel that, in the gift of a Mediator, God regarded him with the same interest that he did his master.


It may be added also that the doctrine of the Papists that the saints or the Virgin Mary may act as mediators to procure blessings for us, is false. There is but "one Mediator;" and but one is necessary. Prayer offered to the "saints," or to the "Virgin," is idolatry, and at the same time removes the one great Mediator from the office which he alone holds, of making intercession with God.


bible.cc/1_timothy/2-5.htm


WTS teaches:


WT 1996 7/1 p.
The table of showbread reminds the great crowd that to remain spiritually healthy, they must regularly partake of spiritual food from the Bible and from publications of “the faithful and discreet slave.”


BLASPHEMY!


I must say aside from creation, Jesus is the greatest evidence that Jehovah exist!  For better or for worse.


In the vindication of the truth
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 7:12PM #144
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Mar 17, 2012 -- 11:17PM, Ed2 wrote:


Mar 17, 2012 -- 3:15PM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


I'm more interested in knowing what I am supposed to do. .  . 




Which is starting to seem more and more like what the Bible's real purpose is:


community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/4... (post #70)


which is to cause people to follow a certain mode of behavior that is considered to be righteous and holy.




I just wanted to respond to my post #134 and make it clear that I am not against good behavior. However, the point that I was trying to make was that the Bible seems to have been put here on earth to originally cause the Hebrew race to adhere to a certain mode of behavior and to follow a certain code of ethics...which were very strict and brutal...but at the same time, seem to yield some good results in their society.(Inspite of the relentless and the brutal enforcement of those laws.) 

And later, Christianity became an offspring of Judiasm and had a kinder and gentler code of eithics to live by. And I have nothing against the kinder and gentler code of ethics of Christianity.


However, with it's 'last days' prophecies which protray very general events that could apply to any generation that existed since the 1st century....events such as earthquakes, wars, famine, diesase, lawlessness and the like....it just doesn't appear that the Bible is what it seems to claim to be....or at least what some people interpret it as being.


But at best, it seems to be a book which was put here to regulate society. Although that within itself, doesn't really seem like a bad thing....especially with all of the problems that our youth have in society. However, there seems to be an imperfection or a deficiency in the Bible as far as it being the inspired word of an all powerful and all wise super deity.  

I think that it's pretty sad and pretty unbelievable that there are so many healthy, powerful, and healing foods that I have learned about from watching "The Doctor Oz Show"...but unfortunately, most Americans from their childhood on up, have only learned how to eat what is essentially equivalent to 'garbage'...and are basically in a 'slumber' when it comes to not having a clue as to what that kind of food is doing to their bodies and to their health. It's really sad.

~Ed2

"Hmmm. So you're saying that for Jesus' followers(throughout the centuries) to truly live a 'godly' life, they had to believe that the end of the world was just around the corner?"

~Ed2(See post #53)

"Although, I think that I'll change that to: Also...I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being 'concerned that the Bible had to use subterfuge as a means to an end' in my post #137."

~Ed2(See post #145)

"It's utterly beyond belief, that the wealthiest country in the history of the world, fails to care for all it's people."

~Dr. Patrick Dowling, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 11/23/11.)

"If I could prescribe any drug on the planet, it would be food [be]cause it works better, faster, and cheaper than any medication. Food is the most powerful medicine we have...to treat chronic disease like diabetes."

~Dr. Mark Hyman, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 01/13/12. Also, go to www.doctoroz.com for more information.)
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 30, 2012 - 11:48AM #145
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Mar 19, 2012 -- 11:44PM, Ed2 wrote:


Also, GTBSH, I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being "concerned that God had to use subterfuge as a means to an end" in my post #137.




Although, I think that I'll change that to: Also, GTBSH, I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being "concerned that the Bible had to use subterfuge as a means to an end" in my post #137.

I think that it's pretty sad and pretty unbelievable that there are so many healthy, powerful, and healing foods that I have learned about from watching "The Doctor Oz Show"...but unfortunately, most Americans from their childhood on up, have only learned how to eat what is essentially equivalent to 'garbage'...and are basically in a 'slumber' when it comes to not having a clue as to what that kind of food is doing to their bodies and to their health. It's really sad.

~Ed2

"Hmmm. So you're saying that for Jesus' followers(throughout the centuries) to truly live a 'godly' life, they had to believe that the end of the world was just around the corner?"

~Ed2(See post #53)

"Although, I think that I'll change that to: Also...I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being 'concerned that the Bible had to use subterfuge as a means to an end' in my post #137."

~Ed2(See post #145)

"It's utterly beyond belief, that the wealthiest country in the history of the world, fails to care for all it's people."

~Dr. Patrick Dowling, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 11/23/11.)

"If I could prescribe any drug on the planet, it would be food [be]cause it works better, faster, and cheaper than any medication. Food is the most powerful medicine we have...to treat chronic disease like diabetes."

~Dr. Mark Hyman, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 01/13/12. Also, go to www.doctoroz.com for more information.)
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2012 - 4:13PM #146
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And the reason being is that in that thread, it looks like Christians throughout all the centuries have been led to believe that the 'Kingdom was near' and that the end of the world was nigh...which even you admitted was for the purpose of getting them to live as good Christians.


Therefore, what I have concern about in all this is that if God is the one who inspired men to write the words that are in the Bible, then I am concerned that God had to use subterfuge as a means to an end.





You evidently think it is very important I address your opinion that there is any 'subterfuge' involved here. 


God flat out asks us to live as though the Kingdom is near.


(2 Peter 3:11-12) 11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, . . .


It also gives us many scriptural thoughts to keep the 'great day of Jehovah' well in mind.  So where's the subterfuge?

“People are not disturbed by things, but by the views they take of them.”
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 31, 2012 - 5:45PM #147
Ed2
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Mar 31, 2012 -- 4:13PM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


And the reason being is that in that thread, it looks like Christians throughout all the centuries have been led to believe that the 'Kingdom was near' and that the end of the world was nigh...which even you admitted was for the purpose of getting them to live as good Christians.


Therefore, what I have concern about in all this is that if God is the one who inspired men to write the words that are in the Bible, then I am concerned that God had to use subterfuge as a means to an end.





You evidently think it is very important I address your opinion that there is any 'subterfuge' involved here. 



Actually, it was more important that you didn't address my opinion that there is any subterfuge involved in the scriptures that we were discussing. Wink


community.beliefnet.com/go/thread/view/4... (see post #142)


Mar 31, 2012 -- 4:13PM, Goodtobehomestill wrote:


God flat out asks us to live as though the Kingdom is near.


(2 Peter 3:11-12) 11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, . . .


It also gives us many scriptural thoughts to keep the 'great day of Jehovah' well in mind.  So where's the subterfuge?



Click on the "post #53" link in my signature and read that post and the related posts after it(all the way up to post #75)....and you will find the answer.

I think that it's pretty sad and pretty unbelievable that there are so many healthy, powerful, and healing foods that I have learned about from watching "The Doctor Oz Show"...but unfortunately, most Americans from their childhood on up, have only learned how to eat what is essentially equivalent to 'garbage'...and are basically in a 'slumber' when it comes to not having a clue as to what that kind of food is doing to their bodies and to their health. It's really sad.

~Ed2

"Hmmm. So you're saying that for Jesus' followers(throughout the centuries) to truly live a 'godly' life, they had to believe that the end of the world was just around the corner?"

~Ed2(See post #53)

"Although, I think that I'll change that to: Also...I liked the way that you dodged what I had said about being 'concerned that the Bible had to use subterfuge as a means to an end' in my post #137."

~Ed2(See post #145)

"It's utterly beyond belief, that the wealthiest country in the history of the world, fails to care for all it's people."

~Dr. Patrick Dowling, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 11/23/11.)

"If I could prescribe any drug on the planet, it would be food [be]cause it works better, faster, and cheaper than any medication. Food is the most powerful medicine we have...to treat chronic disease like diabetes."

~Dr. Mark Hyman, MD(From The Doctor Oz Show, which aired on 01/13/12. Also, go to www.doctoroz.com for more information.)
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