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1 year ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 12:46AM #251
Bob_the_Lunatic
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Feb 18, 2012 -- 12:36AM, davelaw40 wrote:


Feb 18, 2012 -- 12:31AM, Bob_the_Lunatic wrote:


And to my knowledge, only Washington frequently used the term "providence" or rather "Divine Providence".  And I agree-this too is a DEIST term.


Jefferson tended to say "The Creator" and "Nature's God".


Paine focused on pointing out the fallacies of christianity.



These are the 3 most important founders in my book, all Deists.


Although Paine was called a "Filthy little atheist" by an ignorant and emotional Ted Roosevelt lol.




how can providence be a deist term? providing is the opposite of Deism




Classical deism held that a human's relationship with God was impersonal: God created the world and set it in motion but does not actively intervene in individual human affairs but rather through Divine Providence. What this means is that God will give humanity such things as reason and compassion but this applies to all and not individual intervention. 


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 18, 2012 - 12:57AM #252
Bob_the_Lunatic
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Feb 18, 2012 -- 12:32AM, davelaw40 wrote:


No, American Civil Religion was designed by the founders to mimic the civil religion of Rome



Providence is the most used reference to Deity by the founders and does not match the concept of Deism




Bullshit Dave:  


Bellah's ideas about civil religion thus were not novel. Before Bellah wrote his paper in 1967 coining the term "American civil religion" several prominent scholars had alluded to the concept. But there was no common conceptual term to describe, interpret or analyze civic religious faith in America.[4]


And I already addressed the issue of providence-Deists used it as well, and some deists, were also christians-who simply rejected all the miracles and nonsense.  Washington was a deist who used the term.   

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