God cannot know everything. Carnal love, reproduction or sex.
Believers are constantly saying impossible things of God. They make many definitive statement of God’s attribute while claiming that he is unfathomable, unknowable, immutable and works in mysterious ways. These are clear contradictions and un-provable truths that no judge could or would accept. Yet believers think the atheist should just swallow these lies whole. And when atheists do not, believers get into their condescending mode; treat the non-believer like a child; while it is believers themselves who are action in a non-adult way, ---- led by fantasy, ------- when atheists will just not accept something unproven as truth.
Whenever the discussions of God get into explaining his irrational, immoral or strange attributes, believers deny it through evasion. They do so by hiding behind some evasive statement or other. These include silly irrational or unknowable adjectives and phrases like; God works in mysterious ways; God can do whatever he wants; God owns us; God does not have to follow his laws because they are for man and not himself; God’s action may look immoral but it is because he knows so much more than we do. Discussion end with the believer chanting one of these mantras of self-deception. Almost like a parent telling his child that it is that way because it is that way and expecting the child to accept this condescending statement and evasive lie. Believers are not honest enough to just say, I don’t know.
Anyone with experience in debated with believers expects these yet they are not applicable or relevant to moral issues. Regardless, believers use them to justify God’s immoral action and to explain away attributes that are impossible to apply to God.
God is not corporeal. He is immaterial. He cannot reproduce true. He cannot have sex. He cannot know the effects on our psyches from chemical reactions that trigger human sexual activity and desire.
Knowing this, any moral person will know that God should not dictate to man how to handle sexual matters. God cannot know what the feelings and emotions are that drive sex in man and thus it is immoral for him to demand that we do as he wishes. Because of this, he also has no right to punish man for ignoring his unlearned dictates of issues that he himself cannot possibly fathom.
There are likely many things that God cannot know. I have chosen three that I think are obvious. Carnal love, reproduction and the emotions and physical feelings that go with sex.
It's true in a sense. (but it falls into the nonsense questions like God and the big rock)
One could argue that there are equivalents. For example, God cannot truly reproduce and make a separate god, but He can and does constantly create. How do we know that creation via a human standpoint and creation by God are two separate experiences? Likewise, the physical and emotional oneness with another separate being during sex is logically impossible for a God who is One. But (even though I know you aren't Trinitarian by a longshot), the doctrine of the Trinity proposes that God is One, self sufficient, and in perfect communion with Himself; arguably, the emotional oneness we experience in sex could be a poor manifestation of the perfect oneness of God.
Does it mean that God cannot dictate what is good in these situations? No. Although the expression of the desire is different, the desire itself can be the same. Additionally, God can be thought of as the being who designed the different desires and drives of man in the first place. In my view, God has both the knowledge and authority required in these situations.
As a matter of fact, I disagree, but not for reasons related to God being omniscient or anything like that. I think God knows all about everything physical, including sex, because God is within us, within all of us, all the time, within all life and part of all life and thus experiencing all of life; and I believe that all life is evolving toward God, the Omega Point at the end of time and space.
How can God exist if we are now evolving toward God? I don't pretend to know, but I wonder if the convergence of time and space at the Omega Point involves transcendence of time and space, so that God is an all-pervasive intelligence, existing throughout time and space, even as we slowly evolve our way toward that endpoint.
Go ahead, I've been laughed at by the best! I don't ask anyone else to believe it; it is just what I believe.
I prayed for deliverance from the hard world of facts and logic to the happy land where fantasies and prejudices reign. But God spake unto me, saying, "No, keep telling the truth," and to that end afflicted me with severe Trenchant Mouth. So I'm sorry for making cutting remarks, but it's the will of God.
God cannot know everything...REALLY BAD CONCLUSION and extreme examples on poor taste!
You know by now what Christ- followers believe about their TRI-UNE GOD...
God's OMNIPOTENCE and OMNISCIENCE have been revealed to Man...
My TRI-UNE God IS:
1. Existent 2. Unified 3. Simple 4. Infinite 5. Eternal 6. Unchanging and unchangeable CHARACTER 7. All Present 8. All Sovereign 9. All Knowing 10. All powerful 11. Perfectly JUST 12. Perfectly LOVING / merciful 13. Perfectly TRUE / Truthful 14. Perfectly FREE 15. Perfectly separate and pure
I BELIEVE the TRI-UNE GOD has this CHARACTER and all of these ATTRIBUTES. Why? Like the song..."...the Bible tells me so..."...citations omitted.
It's true in a sense. (but it falls into the nonsense questions like God and the big rock)
One could argue that there are equivalents. For example, God cannot truly reproduce and make a separate god, but He can and does constantly create. How do we know that creation via a human standpoint and creation by God are two separate experiences? Likewise, the physical and emotional oneness with another separate being during sex is logically impossible for a God who is One. But (even though I know you aren't Trinitarian by a longshot), the doctrine of the Trinity proposes that God is One, self sufficient, and in perfect communion with Himself; arguably, the emotional oneness we experience in sex could be a poor manifestation of the perfect oneness of God.
Does it mean that God cannot dictate what is good in these situations? No. Although the expression of the desire is different, the desire itself can be the same. Additionally, God can be thought of as the being who designed the different desires and drives of man in the first place. In my view, God has both the knowledge and authority required in these situations.
Eh. You have to be around to exercise authority.
God is not.
You also need sexual parts to know what sexual issues are all about.
It's true in a sense. (but it falls into the nonsense questions like God and the big rock)
One could argue that there are equivalents. For example, God cannot truly reproduce and make a separate god, but He can and does constantly create. How do we know that creation via a human standpoint and creation by God are two separate experiences? Likewise, the physical and emotional oneness with another separate being during sex is logically impossible for a God who is One. But (even though I know you aren't Trinitarian by a longshot), the doctrine of the Trinity proposes that God is One, self sufficient, and in perfect communion with Himself; arguably, the emotional oneness we experience in sex could be a poor manifestation of the perfect oneness of God.
Does it mean that God cannot dictate what is good in these situations? No. Although the expression of the desire is different, the desire itself can be the same. Additionally, God can be thought of as the being who designed the different desires and drives of man in the first place. In my view, God has both the knowledge and authority required in these situations.
Eh. You have to be around to exercise authority.
God is not.
You also need sexual parts to know what sexual issues are all about.
Regards
DL
I understand what your beliefs are in this matter. I'm simply giving the Christian point of view.
The way I see it, God does not fail to know human beings in a merely physical way - human beings fail to know God in a complete way.
The way I see it, God does not fail to know human beings in a merely physical way - human beings fail to know God in a complete way.
I would agree that we do not know God in a complete way, but I would not use the word "fail" in this context, as it implies some kind of lamentable shortcoming. My dog does not know me completely, but I would never say that he fails to know me. He knows me as best as he is able to know me. So the question is whether people know God as best as we can know God, keeping in mind that God is presumably much higher above people than people are above dogs -- whatever "above" may mean.
I experience God directly, as spiritual presence within. That is the limit of my understanding. There is, no doubt, more to God than what I experience, but I have no knowledge of that and no means of obtaining such knowledge; nor can I even know if my interpretation of what I experience is accurate. But there is nothing else. The Bible? Church? Been there, done that. All that teaches me is what various people thought in centuries and millennia past.
I prayed for deliverance from the hard world of facts and logic to the happy land where fantasies and prejudices reign. But God spake unto me, saying, "No, keep telling the truth," and to that end afflicted me with severe Trenchant Mouth. So I'm sorry for making cutting remarks, but it's the will of God.
God cannot know everything. Carnal love, reproduction or sex.
Believers are constantly saying impossible things of God. They make many definitive statement of God’s attribute while claiming that he is unfathomable, unknowable, immutable and works in mysterious ways. These are clear contradictions and un-provable truths that no judge could or would accept. Yet believers think the atheist should just swallow these lies whole. And when atheists do not, believers get into their condescending mode; treat the non-believer like a child; while it is believers themselves who are action in a non-adult way, ---- led by fantasy, ------- when atheists will just not accept something unproven as truth.
Whenever the discussions of God get into explaining his irrational, immoral or strange attributes, believers deny it through evasion. They do so by hiding behind some evasive statement or other. These include silly irrational or unknowable adjectives and phrases like; God works in mysterious ways; God can do whatever he wants; God owns us; God does not have to follow his laws because they are for man and not himself; God’s action may look immoral but it is because he knows so much more than we do. Discussion end with the believer chanting one of these mantras of self-deception. Almost like a parent telling his child that it is that way because it is that way and expecting the child to accept this condescending statement and evasive lie. Believers are not honest enough to just say, I don’t know.
Anyone with experience in debated with believers expects these yet they are not applicable or relevant to moral issues. Regardless, believers use them to justify God’s immoral action and to explain away attributes that are impossible to apply to God.
God is not corporeal. He is immaterial. He cannot reproduce true. He cannot have sex. He cannot know the effects on our psyches from chemical reactions that trigger human sexual activity and desire.
Knowing this, any moral person will know that God should not dictate to man how to handle sexual matters. God cannot know what the feelings and emotions are that drive sex in man and thus it is immoral for him to demand that we do as he wishes. Because of this, he also has no right to punish man for ignoring his unlearned dictates of issues that he himself cannot possibly fathom.
There are likely many things that God cannot know. I have chosen three that I think are obvious. Carnal love, reproduction and the emotions and physical feelings that go with sex.
Do you agree?
Regards
DL
Of course not. The Creator of sex knows nothing about it? Unbelievably unreasonable.
"Not only do I know everything, I know what its like not to know, I even know what its like for you to know everything." -- God
God is the shiznit.....
God can enter a universe where everyone is GODLIKE except him......and still kick everyones ass.
Your concepts of power stem from a immature concept based on fear. Same-wise for abilities.
Think about it you still think God needs this to do that. God can put out a fire with gasoline. he can sail a boat without a boat, he can teach a cat to bark, he can add two plus two and get 50.
You need to understand what it means to have confindence. Your in a great place to learn it. All your worries and every concern you have......... you already know, but your confidence is so bad.... you can't even trust yourself so you still review the obvious.
Lets say its a given there is no God. Then your existence by default would be pretty much a divine existence beyond A conceptualized God.
Bunch of atoms and molecules right?......typing away debates through the internet.....
your atoms can't be destroyed or created so by default your immortal, All components have always been.
Now getting the exact combinations of atoms and molecules and locations that make you up..... that could take while......in human perspective.
Its like if I gave you 10 quarters and told you to flipp them all heads......prob take you few hours.
And the probability of all your molecules and atoms recombining again exactly........ prob terrabillions in eons.....
Thats like if I told you to flip a million quarters and get all heads.......human view unlikely...... IN infinity of time? you'll get it eventually.
But in universal terms as the "ATOMS" that you are all this might be faster then you think.......prob a blink of an eye.
Now if you think theres a God but he's a jerk.........well then what makes you so sure we are living out a scenerio where God required to be Godlike to get his point across?
Pop up with thunder and lighting.......... your confidence is bad enough, you don't need a fanfare.......He's real patient.....picture a man smirking with arms folded...... he's just waiting on YOU.
Im gonna be laughing one day.....Cause one day im pretty sure your gonna tell God that he's got nothing to worry about.
