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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2012 - 12:34PM
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Who are more moral? Men or women? I am not an atheist but am a man who, thanks to apotheosis, believes himself to have high morals. Perhaps even superior to women. I will take the Jewish view of Eden as man’s elevation as opposed to the Christian view that Eden was man’s fall. I do this because the Jewish view was the initial view of their scriptures. I give their view more authority than I do to Christianity. That Jewish view was later reversed by Christianity. Why Christianity did this is not clear. www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php For this mental exercise, I say women are more moral than men. I take this view because teaching a topic is the best way to learn it, and that most of the child rearing/teaching in that day was done by women. Women then, teaching children their first morals, would also teach themselves morals faster than what men would. I do not read scriptures literally but will use the literal view and my logic trail and progression through Eden as if I do. Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge, and as scriptures states, became as God. That is, she developed the same moral sense as God. She then recognized that instead of leaving Adam to follow God’s instruction to not eat, she chose, with her new wisdom, to have Adam also eat of the tree of knowledge. Thus both were elevated to having a moral sense. Is the Jewish view the correct one? Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking? Who are more moral? Men or women? Regards DL
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 7:59AM
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Well, this ought to be amusing, as the pro-men will be accused of misogyny and pro-women will be accused of misanthropy.
Knock and the door shall open. It's not my fault if you don't like the decor.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 8:38AM
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How are we supposed to measure moral compliance?
Jesus had two dads, and he turned out alright.~ Andy Gussert
“Feminism has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties. Its battles have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions…for safety on the streets…for child care, for social welfare…for rape crisis centers, women’s refuges, reforms in the law.
If someone says, “Oh, I’m not a feminist,” I ask, “Why, what’s your problem?”
Dale Spender
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 11:29AM
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Eve was first to eat of the tree of knowledge, and as scriptures states, became as God. That is, she developed the same moral sense as God. She then recognized that instead of leaving Adam to follow God’s instruction to not eat, she chose, with her new wisdom, to have Adam also eat of the tree of knowledge. Thus both were elevated to having a moral sense.
Is the Jewish view the correct one?
I don't know that this is "the Jewish view." Anyway, Who should lead mankind in religious and political thinking?
How about a balance? Primitive society was primarily matriarchal and--furthermore, the many mother-goddesses--can be every bit as nasty as patriarchs. Who are more moral? Men or women? Regards DL
What is the criterion for "more moral"?
Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason, my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, for to go against conscience would be neither right nor safe. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 5:11PM
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How did morality become a gender-linked trait?
Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.
-- Tori Amos
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 5:23PM
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How did morality become a gender-linked trait?
My thoughts exactly
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 8:57PM
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How did morality become a gender-linked trait?
My thoughts exactly
I have heard that women tend to be a notably larger percentage of the regular attendees of church services than men.Can any one people on this thread confirm this and if it is true,what would be the implications for the topic?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 9:02PM
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I think this topic is absurd, but a variant question might be of interest: the relative morality of theists and atheists, not just in terms of comparative data (if there are any) but how we think about people who act in a highly moral-ethical manner as a function of their belief in a deity versus people who act in a highly moral-ethical manner simply because it seems like the right thing to do.
I prayed for deliverance from the hard world of facts and logic to the happy land where fantasies and prejudices reign. But God spake unto me, saying, "No, keep telling the truth," and to that end afflicted me with severe Trenchant Mouth. So I'm sorry for making cutting remarks, but it's the will of God.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 9:09PM
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I think this topic is absurd, but a variant question might be of interest: the relative morality of theists and atheists, not just in terms of comparative data (if there are any) but how we think about people who act in a highly moral-ethical manner as a function of their belief in a deity versus people who act in a highly moral-ethical manner simply because it seems like the right thing to do.
Could be an interesting thread.Why don't you start it?
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2012 - 10:48PM
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just take over the MMO'H thread
Non Quis, Sed Quid
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