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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 6:47PM
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Since the other thread is burried in irrelevant posts, I'd like to start this one fresh. Hopefully it won't get inundated with tangents. I'll post where we left off.
You claim his question is disengenious (or ingenuine) because he already has the answer. This question could have been merely planted as a rhetorical device, to further advance discussion on the subject.
That is a possibility, and should Steve return, discussion could be advanced based on him having actually read the book.
Well, while I am not Steve, I'd at least like to know if the 1918 or '19 (whatever the specific date is) inspection is a core doctrine?
And if so, would you care to examine evidence against it?
I am interested in exploring the teaching, but with two conditions: the first being that I do not have a lot of time to put toward it which could result in days between posts & if you can accept this; and if you can approach the topic with an open mind and be prepared to read Witness literature which accounts for the teachings itself, rather than simply C&P from other sites as if the info there is true and honest (which does not seem the MO of sites typically postsed here).
If you can agree to this, I welcome dialogue with you and anyone else who agrees to those conditions on moving forward.
I agree. I'm all ears. In fact, if you need sources for older material, go to this thread. In this thread, the only links that work well and are relevant are: archive org, sacred texts, and watchtowerdocuments.
I'd also like to add Strictly Genteel.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 8:00PM
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This was a good move KN. As noted WTS jw associates just hope no one will notice that their tangents have lead away from the topic of interest. I've addressed that in the other 1918-1919 thread. So now an honest if that can be found jw apologist can pick one or both threads to post a scriptural proof that Jehovah and Jesus chose WTS and by what criteria, that is at what point was WTS practicing "pure worship"?
Formerly known as Imperfectense
In the vindication of the truth
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2012 - 8:46PM
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This was a good move KN. As noted WTS jw associates just hope no one will notice that their tangents have lead away from the topic of interest. I've addressed that in the other 1918-1919 thread. So now an honest if that can be found jw apologist can pick one or both threads to post a scriptural proof that Jehovah and Jesus chose WTS and by what criteria, that is at what point was WTS practicing "pure worship"?
...and how is that specifically defined? (If that's available.)
"Charity is no substitute for justice withheld." ~ St. Augustine
"Never place a period where God has placed a comma." ~ Gracie Allen
"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it." ~ Abraham Lincoln
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2012 - 9:31AM
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2012 - 4:21PM
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"cricket"..."cricket"
Note to Truthwillset, KN opened this dialog with Regina, whom I up to this point have acknowledged, but not formally welcomed, but if you will note, Regina stated that she might be 'days' between visits to B'net. I don't think anyone is ignoring the thread, but yielding the 'floor' on this thread to KN and Regina. and welcome to Regina
“People are not disturbed by things, but by the views they take of them.”
― Epictetus
Life is like photography, you need a clear lens, and the picture you get depends on what you focus on.
Attaching to (choosing not to let go of) your own painful interpretations of events, ideas, people, etc. results in 'self-created suffering.'
Anger stems from irrational beliefs about others, anxiety stems from irrational beliefs about yourself.---
http://www.amazon.com/The-Brain-Mechanic-Maximize-Emotional/product-reviews/0757315569/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2012 - 4:57PM
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Note to Truthwillset, KN opened this dialog with Regina, whom I up to this point have acknowledged, but not formally welcomed, but if you will note, Regina stated that she might be 'days' between visits to B'net. I don't think anyone is ignoring the thread, but yielding the 'floor' on this thread to KN and Regina.
So what are you, chopped liver? Any ol' JW will do.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 31, 2012 - 8:44PM
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Note to Truthwillset, KN opened this dialog with Regina, whom I up to this point have acknowledged, but not formally welcomed, but if you will note, Regina stated that she might be 'days' between visits to B'net. I don't think anyone is ignoring the thread, but yielding the 'floor' on this thread to KN and Regina.
So what are you, chopped liver? Any ol' JW will do.
"Yielding the floor"thats a new one out here. Or as RJ called a poster's question on this topic "ingenious"..but I just call this new cop-out disingenous.
Formerly known as Imperfectense
In the vindication of the truth
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2012 - 12:22AM
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btt for any jw, RJ?
Note to Truthwillset, KN opened this dialog with Regina, whom I up to this point have acknowledged, but not formally welcomed, but if you will note, Regina stated that she might be 'days' between visits to B'net. I don't think anyone is ignoring the thread, but yielding the 'floor' on this thread to KN and Regina.
So what are you, chopped liver? Any ol' JW will do.
"Yielding the floor"thats a new one out here. Or as RJ called a poster's question on this topic "ingenious"..but I just call this new cop-out disingenous.
btt for any jw, RJ?
Formerly known as Imperfectense
In the vindication of the truth
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2012 - 6:44PM
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In order for us not to get lost on tangents, we will be focusing specifically on the book God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached published in 1973 and pages 349-355 (edited to add until page 358 the subsection ends, even though Steve originally said 355) deal with the 1918-1919 appointment. I will begin reading so that I can start up some dialogue.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2012 - 7:10PM
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I'll start off with pg. 348, par. 35 translated from Spanish. 19 centuries ago, when the class of the "faithful and discreet slave" was orginally formed... My comment: Erm, where does it indicate in Matthew 24:45-47 that the FDS is or was to be a 'class'? If you recall it was Maria, Russell's wife, who in private originally gave that text the literal interpretation and said she believed Russell was the FDS. He was the leader of the Bible Students movement at the time and when he spoke privately to his associates, admitted as much that he was the FDS. So we can start to see the development of this unique doctrine, I'd say one of the core doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses. Proclaimers go so far as to say, "They (JW's) do not affirm the class of the slave is infallible, but they consider it the only channel (sic) used by the Master during the last days of these system of things." For reference to the above, see Proclaimers ch. 28 pg. 626 under the subheading, The "faithful and prudent slave" is clearly identified.
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