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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 6:26PM
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I positively identify with creating a legacy that does not involve fear of death, fear of God(s) and radical respect (which can be forfeited) for all humans of all beliefs, genders, gender preferences, and in particular in my case eliminating gender role expectations.
That’s an awfully long label ;). I can see why my friend N.____ sticks with “secularist”, but I am intrigued by one part of what you’ve mentioned. Having believed all my life that death isn’t the end of our existence I have no idea what someone contemplates at life’s end if s/he believes one’s existence permanently ceases at death.
It also includes respect for all that lives and enables life on this planet and the planet itself.
That doesn’t sound much different from documents authored by the Oecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.
you're still not listening-who mentioned something about any belief after death or lack thereof that all atheists have? They don't. Some have beliefs about after death, some don't-the ONLY THING DEFINING US IS A LACK OF BELIEF IN GODS. *offers the man a q-tip*
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 6:42PM
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I am intrigued by one part of what you’ve mentioned. Having believed all my life that death isn’t the end of our existence I have no idea what someone contemplates at life’s end if s/he believes one’s existence permanently ceases at death.
I hope you followed the link to legacy it should explain much. But one looks backward, if you have taught your children well, all of them, not just your own, you should be confident that there are many who can build on your legacy for a better world for all who follow.
Thinking about the unknown that happens after death is a waste of time. All data points to no answer. If there is something after death it would make no difference at all in how I live. If I have lived a moral, useful life any possible afterlife concierge would consider that and nothing else. Or as Forrest Church frequently charged "Live a life worth dying for." Note the active verb is "live." Consider the second runner in a relay race. What does hesh think as hesh passes the baton? Hesh is probably the weakest runner, but if hesh did herm very best, the others may win the race. So, as hesh ran all that mattered was that hesh ran well. Focusing on anything else would doom the race.
J'Carlin
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't cram your foot in it and complain.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 7:07PM
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"hesh"? must be an inside joke.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 7:22PM
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"hesh"? must be an inside joke.
hesh...he/she
like herm? him /her? guessing
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 7:24PM
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"hesh"? must be an inside joke.
hesh...he/she
like herm? him /her? guessing
I get it-I must be getting old, all these new fangled terms, "lol", "omw", "herm"...
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 7:29PM
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It's a "Kind" of Gender "Hash" ...
"hesh"? must be an inside joke.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 7:52PM
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It's arguable that theists also have a human-based morality, it's just that they insist it is endorced and backed by a supernatural authority.
Of course that’s what an atheist would think since s/he doesn’t believe the supernatural authority that allegedly informs the theist morality exists, F1fan. The theist doesn’t know for certain if the theos/oi exists so it's possible that subconsciously, s/he might always be considering this.
A theist can believe anything they want. Concepts of morality tend to be pragmatic and practical. When they become self-serving, like evangelicals working hard to deny gay rights, and they claim their god demands this, then I find it a rather petty god. I find that supernatural authority no better than the supernatural authority behind the 9-11 hijackers. It always comes down to the mortal, not gods, when a human acts. There's probably not a whole lot wrong with it in general terms, but the definitions of secularist and humanist imply an intention that a specific atheist doesn't hold. You may assume a general atheist is generally a secularist. It can't be assumed for all.
Of course it couldn’t be assumed for all, but would it be fair to say that it can be applied to the lion’s share? Don’t most atheists believe that norms and mores should be determined by what we think are the best qualities in us?
Most everyone does, including theists. That they do does not set them in the category.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 7:57PM
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"hesh"? must be an inside joke.
Nope, simply a gender inclusive pronoun. I don't like he/she/it especially when read aloud. She/he/it isn't a lot better. I use it as it forces me to think in gender inclusive terms, something I value very highly. Language is value. If you say of the runner "he" you are excluding half of the human race from competitive running. Like it or not. I do not.
Community Host.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 8:00PM
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It's a "Kind" of Gender "Hash" ...
"hesh"? must be an inside joke.
Quite unlike your testosterone poisoned God. He thinks women are property not people.
Community Host.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 07, 2011 - 8:41PM
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It's a "Kind" of Gender "Hash" ...
"hesh"? must be an inside joke.
Quite unlike your testosterone poisoned God. He thinks women are property not people.
Pretty much
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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