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1 year ago  ::  Feb 24, 2012 - 9:01AM #181
BDboy
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Feb 22, 2012 -- 11:27AM, world citizen wrote:


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And this time from another Baha'i, unfortunately.


????  Could it be that Christians also feel it is "unfortunate" when a Muslim interprets things from the Bible for them, or Jews feel it is "unfortunate" when a Christian or Muslim tries to interpret things from the Torah for them?  What, then, should progressive revelation (as explained by Muhammad) be about, if not, among them, possibly correcting finite man's (mis)interpretations?




 


>>>>>>>> it is a free world and anyone can interpret anything they want.


Personally I feel "Fortunate" to have some bahai members in this forum. Yes, I may not agree with them all the time but I do not agree with many Muslims in everything. Fortunately, I do agree with our Bahai friends in most issues. :-)


So I welcome anyone who joins us to enrich out discussions and we can surely learn from each other.


May peace be unto you.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 9:23AM #182
turner_chris1
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49:13 O men! Behold, We have created you male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.




How does making us into nations and tribes help us come to know one another? 


What am I missing?



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1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 9:32AM #183
turner_chris1
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30:22 And among his wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colours: for in this, behold, there are messages indeed for all who are possessed of [innate] knowledge!


 As someone not possesed of [innate] knowledge,  perhaps someone could tell me what exactly  the messages are , and how they know them (other than innately), or if they are innate, how they know they are correct (e.g. backup verses which give more explanation)?





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1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 10:34AM #184
IDBC
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Howdy WC


Feb 22, 2012 -- 11:27AM, world citizen wrote:


visio ~


And this time from another Baha'i, unfortunately.


????  Could it be that Christians also feel it is "unfortunate" when a Muslim interprets things from the Bible for them, or Jews feel it is "unfortunate" when a Christian or Muslim tries to interpret things from the Torah for them? 



It could be as "unfortunate" as when a Bahia interprets the Quran, the Gospels, and the Torah for them.  


It could be "unfortunate" the "believers" of the Abrahamic Faiths mistake "different" interpretations with "mis-interpretations".  


It could be "unfortunate" when the "believer" believe that their interpretation is the "true" interpretations.    



Feb 22, 2012 -- 11:27AM, world citizen wrote:


What, then, should progressive revelation (as explained by Muhammad) be about, if not, among them, possibly correcting finite man's (mis)interpretations?




It is "unfortunate" is that Muslims disagree that Bahia is a progressive revelation.  They disagree with the Bahia explanation of what Muhammad-Quran.  


They are as firm and sincere in their interpretations that Muhammad explained that the Quran is the final and perfect revelation, that it is perfect and  the final revelation. 


What is "unforunate" is that people act on their different interpretations in different ways.  


For example there are believers in Afghanistan who are acting on their interpretations with regards to the burning of the Quran in an "unfortunate" way.  

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 12:52PM #185
world citizen
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Feb 24, 2012 -- 9:01AM, BDboy wrote:

Feb 22, 2012 -- 11:27AM, world citizen wrote:


visio ~


And this time from another Baha'i, unfortunately.


????  Could it be that Christians also feel it is "unfortunate" when a Muslim interprets things from the Bible for them, or Jews feel it is "unfortunate" when a Christian or Muslim tries to interpret things from the Torah for them?  What, then, should progressive revelation (as explained by Muhammad) be about, if not, among them, possibly correcting finite man's (mis)interpretations?




 


>>>>>>>> it is a free world and anyone can interpret anything they want.


Personally I feel "Fortunate" to have some bahai members in this forum. Yes, I may not agree with them all the time but I do not agree with many Muslims in everything. Fortunately, I do agree with our Bahai friends in most issues. :-)


So I welcome anyone who joins us to enrich out discussions and we can surely learn from each other.


May peace be unto you.


Thank you for your gracious response, BDboy.  We can always learn new things from each other when dialog is entered into w/o bias.  I've learned many things about Islam through the years by being one of the hosts of this forum.  :-)


Baha'un Alaikum

Ye have been forbidden in the Book of God to engage in contention and conflict...
~Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas
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1 year ago  ::  Feb 25, 2012 - 12:57PM #186
Lilwabbit
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Feb 25, 2012 -- 9:23AM, turner_chris1 wrote:


49:13 O men! Behold, We have created you male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.




How does making us into nations and tribes help us come to know one another? 


What am I missing?




One way to understand this verse is that God created human diversity (gender, race, cultures) as an excuse to become curious about each other -- to learn about one another -- rather than an excuse to fight and kill one another. It continues by implying that we shouldn't put much stock on the gender, race or culture that we belong because in the sight of God the only thing that truly matters is how close we are to God, irrespective of our gender, race and culture.


There's another verse in the same surah in which tribes are told not to mock one another since it may well be that the other is better than us.


Kind regards,


LilWabbit

"All things have I willed for you, and you too, for your own sake."
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