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6 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2011 - 1:02PM #21
johnacancienne
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Jul 6, 2011 -- 12:09PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:59AM, johnacancienne wrote:


 


Yes, Dave I do argue that point. Also Mother Goose, and the Brothers Grimm, and that little freaking red haired mermaid! Or do you believe that goats and trolls live under bridges collecting tolls of travelers as they cross?


 




they are socialization tools-don't travel alone/ be careful of strangers/bridges are dangerous-thats just the Billy Goats





WHite magic..... Talking goats! And in the bible there was talking serpents.... I get it now! There's no differences at all! It's just who represents what religion that makes it good or evil....... Sheesh!


It's all in the indoctrination, Dave.

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2011 - 1:09PM #22
mainecaptain
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Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:56AM, johnacancienne wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:53AM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:35AM, johnacancienne wrote:


 


How about the Wizard of Oz? I might as well see just how far over the edge you've fallen.


 





Movies? I am discussing the books-The Secret was a book, right?  The HP series has classical pagan overtones, "Christian" themes, and Campbellian quests (typical Brit synchreticism)


 


Wizard sends mixed messages: you have good and bad witches-but the prevailing message is- pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.


 


I concede the Christianized version of the Law of Attraction isn't true craft- but like the name it and claim prosperity gospel types-it turns a (IMO THE) Diety into a mechanism-a mere force of nature to be manipulated-a genie in bottle





You brought up Harry Potter, Dave. Not me. If you were speaking of the books Harry Potter, I never read them. My daughter did in High School, and loved the characters in each one. I don't know if the Exorsist ever was a book. I was going into anything, really that has some sort of religious undercurrent to it....


Right now.... Man, I'm lost. I don't know where you're trying to steer the conversation.


 




I have read quite a few of the harry potter books, it is still all theatre, (hollywood) there is NOTHING of any Pagan religions in those stories nothing. Nothing at all. it is all entertainment and can teach no one anything about any form of Paganism, or the practice of magic (k)

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2011 - 1:13PM #23
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Jul 6, 2011 -- 1:02PM, johnacancienne wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 12:09PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:59AM, johnacancienne wrote:


 


Yes, Dave I do argue that point. Also Mother Goose, and the Brothers Grimm, and that little freaking red haired mermaid! Or do you believe that goats and trolls live under bridges collecting tolls of travelers as they cross?


 




they are socialization tools-don't travel alone/ be careful of strangers/bridges are dangerous-thats just the Billy Goats





WHite magic..... Talking goats! And in the bible there was talking serpents.... I get it now! There's no differences at all! It's just who represents what religion that makes it good or evil....... Sheesh!


It's all in the indoctrination, Dave.




Sad really sad. :(

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Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 3:51AM #24
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Jul 5, 2011 -- 9:46AM, newsjunkie wrote:


I read "The Secret," I"m sorry to say. It was a waste of several hours and I forget how many dollars. Far as I can tell, the Law of Attraction is a lot of hooey.


 


Well said! Prayers for a god to intervene and 'the Law of Attraction' are both nonsense.

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 6:17AM #25
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Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:58AM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:35AM, johnacancienne wrote:


People who take a look at movies and try to deduce some sort of religious theme out of them are pretty well over the top anyway. Stuff like that is for entertainment only (although I fail to see how one is entertained by horror and gore) and rarely if ever reflects the true nature of a religion. You must have missed that in Sunday School, Dave, and grew up thinking that's just "One More Way" to be seduced by the devil. If that is true, then you're in the wrong line of work. You'd fit in better as the prosecution, rather than the defense.





Are you going to argue that Narnia and Lord of the Rings are entertainment only?-continue to believe that-its some of the best propaganda we have going.




If I hadn't known about CS Lewis,I wouldn't have seen Narnia as anything more than another children's story.Do you think the hidden Christian message is so obvious that it would be clear to someone brought up in a non Christian culture?Haven't read Lord of the Rings.What is it propaganda for?Christianity or something else?

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 6:25AM #26
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 6:17AM, koolpoi wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:58AM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:35AM, johnacancienne wrote:


People who take a look at movies and try to deduce some sort of religious theme out of them are pretty well over the top anyway. Stuff like that is for entertainment only (although I fail to see how one is entertained by horror and gore) and rarely if ever reflects the true nature of a religion. You must have missed that in Sunday School, Dave, and grew up thinking that's just "One More Way" to be seduced by the devil. If that is true, then you're in the wrong line of work. You'd fit in better as the prosecution, rather than the defense.





Are you going to argue that Narnia and Lord of the Rings are entertainment only?-continue to believe that-its some of the best propaganda we have going.




If I hadn't known about CS Lewis,I wouldn't have seen Narnia as anything more than another children's story.Do you think the hidden Christian message is so obvious that it would be clear to someone brought up in a non Christian culture?Haven't read Lord of the Rings.What is it propaganda for?Christianity or something else?




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6 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 6:43AM #27
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 6:25AM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 7, 2011 -- 6:17AM, koolpoi wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:58AM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 6, 2011 -- 11:35AM, johnacancienne wrote:


People who take a look at movies and try to deduce some sort of religious theme out of them are pretty well over the top anyway. Stuff like that is for entertainment only (although I fail to see how one is entertained by horror and gore) and rarely if ever reflects the true nature of a religion. You must have missed that in Sunday School, Dave, and grew up thinking that's just "One More Way" to be seduced by the devil. If that is true, then you're in the wrong line of work. You'd fit in better as the prosecution, rather than the defense.





Are you going to argue that Narnia and Lord of the Rings are entertainment only?-continue to believe that-its some of the best propaganda we have going.




If I hadn't known about CS Lewis,I wouldn't have seen Narnia as anything more than another children's story.Do you think the hidden Christian message is so obvious that it would be clear to someone brought up in a non Christian culture?Haven't read Lord of the Rings.What is it propaganda for?Christianity or something else?




ecumenical Christianity




My impression is that Lord of the Rings is rather like The Hobbit with magic,trolls,swordplay etc.How could this be propaganda for ecumenical Christianity?I did read The Hobbit many years ago and if there was any Christian message,it certainly didn't jump out at me.

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 1:41PM #28
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in the LOTR, all the different races that worship the one god in his many forms band together to battle the servant of the Dark Lord


read the Simirillian which is the religious text behind LOTR-its creation myth exactly parallels the Judeo-Christian one

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2011 - 1:44PM #29
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 6:43AM, koolpoi wrote:


 


My impression is that Lord of the Rings is rather like The Hobbit with magic,trolls,swordplay etc.How could this be propaganda for ecumenical Christianity?I did read The Hobbit many years ago and if there was any Christian message,it certainly didn't jump out at me.




the Hobbit is like a child's version of Robin Hood


LOTR is like Beowulf or the tales of Arthur


 the Simirarillian is like the Book of Common prayer combined with Bible stories

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2011 - 7:30AM #30
koolpoi
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Jul 7, 2011 -- 1:44PM, davelaw40 wrote:


Jul 7, 2011 -- 6:43AM, koolpoi wrote:


 


My impression is that Lord of the Rings is rather like The Hobbit with magic,trolls,swordplay etc.How could this be propaganda for ecumenical Christianity?I did read The Hobbit many years ago and if there was any Christian message,it certainly didn't jump out at me.




the Hobbit is like a child's version of Robin Hood


LOTR is like Beowulf or the tales of Arthur


 the Simirarillian is like the Book of Common prayer combined with Bible stories




Does anyone consider Beowolf propaganda for any faith?So how does LOTR get considered as such?I haven't read (or heard of )the Simirarillian.Who wrote it?It doesn't sound like a compelling read.

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