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| 2 years ago :: Jun 02, 2011 - 5:12PM #11 | |
Bunsinspace
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Personally, I believe "time eternal" would be a far better place for this "activity" than here and now and anytime in the future on Turtle Island. The sooner the better. (heheh) |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 03, 2011 - 7:14AM #12 | |
Miguel_de_servet
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If you believe that there is a "Heavenly Father" in control [#] then we are ALL serving His plan, are we not? Mario [#] You refer to Him, out of respect, as HaShem.
Revelation is above, not against Reason
“The everlasting God is a refuge, and underneath you are his eternal arms ...” (Deut 33:27) “Do you have an arm like God, and can you thunder with a voice like his?” (Job 40:9) “By the Lord’s word [dabar] the heavens were made; and by the breath [ruwach] of his mouth all their host.” (Psalm 33:6) “Who would have believed what we just heard? When was the arm of the Lord revealed through him?” (Isaiah 53:1) “Lord, who has believed our message, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” (John 12:38) “For not the hearers of the law are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be declared righteous.” (Romans 2:13) “Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.”(Romans 13:8) |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 03, 2011 - 7:17AM #13 | |
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Miguel_de_servet
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Why don't you support them with some (decent ...) arguments? Mario
Revelation is above, not against Reason
“The everlasting God is a refuge, and underneath you are his eternal arms ...” (Deut 33:27) “Do you have an arm like God, and can you thunder with a voice like his?” (Job 40:9) “By the Lord’s word [dabar] the heavens were made; and by the breath [ruwach] of his mouth all their host.” (Psalm 33:6) “Who would have believed what we just heard? When was the arm of the Lord revealed through him?” (Isaiah 53:1) “Lord, who has believed our message, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” (John 12:38) “For not the hearers of the law are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be declared righteous.” (Romans 2:13) “Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.”(Romans 13:8) |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 03, 2011 - 8:21AM #14 | |
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Miguel_de_servet
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MdS
Revelation is above, not against Reason
“The everlasting God is a refuge, and underneath you are his eternal arms ...” (Deut 33:27) “Do you have an arm like God, and can you thunder with a voice like his?” (Job 40:9) “By the Lord’s word [dabar] the heavens were made; and by the breath [ruwach] of his mouth all their host.” (Psalm 33:6) “Who would have believed what we just heard? When was the arm of the Lord revealed through him?” (Isaiah 53:1) “Lord, who has believed our message, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” (John 12:38) “For not the hearers of the law are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be declared righteous.” (Romans 2:13) “Owe no one anything, except to love one another, for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.”(Romans 13:8) |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 03, 2011 - 11:15AM #15 | |
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Mario Here is one of the essential problems with talking to you. Your ideas concerning "a heavenly father, controlling everything" is a lovely Christian concept and it fits within a least a few streams of Christian thought. It does not work for us. It just isn't the way we look at the world. Nor does it have much to do with our daily life or concerns. Predetermination is not our thing. Talk of a "Heavenly father" is suspect unless you are using such a phrase as a literary device. There really are two different world views. If, in fact, you knew anything at all about Judaism you would understand that. Finally and once and for all, Jesus was not the messiah. This is not a matter of interpretation It is a statement of verifiable fact. We are not currently living in the messianic age. Therefore no matter what nice things you might want to say about Jesus, he was not the messiah, not even close. The forgoing statement applies to the Jewish concept of messiah. The Christian concept of messiah differs from the Jewish concept. The differences are not a result of different interpretations. The differences are the result of a conscious decision by Christians to alter the qualifications and duties of the messiah from that required in Jewish tradition. Jews and Christians share a common word for two different concepts. |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 03, 2011 - 11:33AM #16 | |
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You've just exceeded my ability to tolerate your most digusting slanders and lies. OUT. |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 03, 2011 - 12:47PM #17 | |
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Bunsinspace
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Good point. I do not presume to know "G-d's plan" nor is it part of Judaism to discern such. But individual prophets may reveal a specific possible destiny for a specific future event - and that is directly related to the actions of the people. My emphasis on respect for others and all of Creation is simply based upon the accumulated wisdom of about 6 millenia of the Jewish people and many more of the Native American peoples - specifically the Blackfoot. It is an observation based upon real human interactions throughout history rather than divine speculation. I do not make the claim that this is a "divine revelation" because anybody who has eyes to see and ears to hear can come to the same conclusion without resorting to religion or deistic pretensions. |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 03, 2011 - 4:52PM #18 | |
wohali
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Leah, yeah, I know Jews don't make calls on who is a "TRUE BELIEVER". Neither do Indians. I just get tired of these chuckleheads that do..... |
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 04, 2011 - 10:49AM #19 | |
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I don't see the need to try to 'meld' the two faiths together. So Christians and Jews think differently. Big whoop. Hell, Christians aren't even uniform *within* the faith on a lot of things, so why should we expect anyone else from any other religion to fall in line with us? IMO Judaism and Christianity are two separate books on the same bookshelf.
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| 2 years ago :: Jun 04, 2011 - 11:25AM #20 | |
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wohali
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BD, well said. |
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