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4 years ago  ::  Mar 17, 2011 - 5:12PM #21
Nay_ho_tze
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Hey Bouncybaby - don't worry - 

it's okay where you've posted... 

you can't leave us now - 

your story is far too interesting...

NHT

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 17, 2011 - 5:15PM #22
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Welcome 57 -

IMO that famous person would have a very strange karma indeed...

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 17, 2011 - 7:54PM #23
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Mar 17, 2011 -- 5:15PM, Nay_ho_tze wrote:


Welcome 57 -

IMO that famous person would have a very strange karma indeed...

NHT





OK...but it didn't quite answer my post.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 17, 2011 - 10:13PM #24
Nay_ho_tze
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Oh
*blushing*
my apologies...
I thought you were being facetious -
hence, my glib response.


Well, if I understand what you're saying,
you're talking about demon possession ...
about which your question is
whether demon possession can "transmigrate" -- yes?


As a practicing medicine woman,
claimed by the Choctaw as an elder,
I've walked this medicine path for many years,
and so I have helpers ...
And this is what I'm being shown:


Demon possession cannot "transmigrate" -
and here's the reason why -
in the life between lives,
the soul goes through a process not unlike a purification. 
The debris accumulated during the immediate past life
is washed from the soul -
 - but while the debris is washed away -
we still carry stains
of that which is of our own making ...
that which is not of our own making is 'washed away' -
A demon possessing the soul is alien to the soul,
and washed away.


... unless, of course, it is a demon soul,
in which case everything except the demonic nature
would be purified, or washed away -
(the origins of my glib reference to 'strange karma' above).
Further I have been shown that the demon
is then sent to its 'most perfect' place,
to work on the chosen path of its journey -
and the spirit which has been newly freed,
its karma refreshed and accurate,
can begin its journey toward enlightenment,
whatever that is,
dependent on an individual's nature/culture/tradition/beliefs.


This 'life between lives' is the bardo
referred to in the ancient Tibetan text called Bardo Thodol,
translated as "liberation by hearing on the after death plane"
(Bardo: after death plane, Thodol or Thotrol: liberation by hearing) ...
It's also known as The Tibetan Book of the Dead,
and is read to the newly deceased to assist passage to the bardo.
For more info, click here


*s*
If that made any sense,
did I answer your question?


NHT

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 11:13AM #25
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Mar 17, 2011 -- 10:13PM, Nay_ho_tze wrote:


Oh
*blushing*
my apologies...
I thought you were being facetious -
hence, my glib response.


Well, if I understand what you're saying,
you're talking about demon possession ...
about which your question is
whether demon possession can "transmigrate" -- yes?


You'll need to define "transmigrate" I'm not sure what you mean by it.


As a practicing medicine woman,
claimed by the Choctaw as an elder,
I've walked this medicine path for many years,
and so I have helpers ...
And this is what I'm being shown:


Helper? Once again this term is foreign to me.


Demon possession cannot "transmigrate" -
and here's the reason why -
in the life between lives,
the soul goes through a process not unlike a purification. 
The debris accumulated during the immediate past life
is washed from the soul -


I'm not saying a demon attaches itself to a soul then stays with it..but rather a demon with previous knowledge  of a former individual attaches itself to anyone..perhaps you, then transfers the knowledge making it appear as if it was reincarnation.



 - but while the debris is washed away -
we still carry stains
of that which is of our own making ...
that which is not of our own making is 'washed away' -
A demon possessing the soul is alien to the soul,
and washed away.


See my above statement. 


... unless, of course, it is a demon soul,
in which case everything except the demonic nature
would be purified, or washed away -
(the origins of my glib reference to 'strange karma' above).
Further I have been shown that the demon
is then sent to its 'most perfect' place,


Most perfect place?



to work on the chosen path of its journey -
and the spirit which has been newly freed,
its karma refreshed and accurate,
can begin its journey toward enlightenment,
whatever that is,
dependent on an individual's nature/culture/tradition/beliefs.


This 'life between lives' is the bardo
referred to in the ancient Tibetan text called Bardo Thodol,
translated as "liberation by hearing on the after death plane"
(Bardo: after death plane, Thodol or Thotrol: liberation by hearing) ...
It's also known as The Tibetan Book of the Dead,
and is read to the newly deceased to assist passage to the bardo.
For more info, click here


*s*
If that made any sense,
did I answer your question?


It only created more questions. (as it should)....From your description above it sounds like any part of a past life if that were possible should have also been cleansed....and never remembered. 


NHT





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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 2:23PM #26
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Shalom 57,


The purpose of remembering a past life is for learning. The soul-self will not give you any more information in a life than what you can handle. Many people feel overwealmed with their life so give more? In the Gospel of Thomas there are some great sayings of Yeshua about this in particular. The Laws of Birth are set up before you are even born to set you into a life in which conditions are set for development. Whether or not you develop and ripen (again references to this in the sayings of Yeshua) is entirely based upon your own work. While Nah expresses things with different terms, many of the things she presents are the same as what I present only with different words to describe these processes. What is here is echoed in what is above and Gospel of Thomas 22 deals with this in particular. So while you are physically born from a mother, you can also be born spiritually from a mother that is the Sophia or Wisdom, which is a femine reflection of the higher realms. You also have what can be described as soul DNA that is developed over many lives and matures as your soul matures. So what is above is as below, the right and left being the male and female reflective natures of the internal development. That is also why Yeshua referenced the concept of marriage and the bridal chamber so much. True marriage is not just between a man and a woman, but it is the development of the male and female natures of an individual into a whole of development. Yeshua represents the completion of just such a process through his XY genes of the body and the spiritual genes of the above. This is just such a complicated process that one forum entrance doesn't even begin to cover the whole nature of all of this. Past lives are just a part of this to aid in the development of the whole person.


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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 4:29PM #27
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57 writes: You'll need to define "transmigrate" I'm not sure what you mean by it.
transmigration
particularly, the second definition,
the intransitive verb ...


57 writes: Helper? Once again this term is foreign to me.
I see you are Christian
Surely Christians have spiritual helpers,
angels perhaps?  --
I am NDN -
I was trying to use generic language.


57 writes: From your description above it sounds like any part
of a past life if that were possible should have also been cleansed....
and never remembered.
Read my previous post again -
you missed something...
I said, that which is not of us is cleansed away -
that which is by our own doing remains like a stain ...
this is an important distinction to understand -

Presumably a demon is not of our own doing,
unless of course one is a demon ...
which is a whole other ballgame, isn't it?

You referenced remembering a past life -
this is not a special skill.
anyone has the ability to remember -
past life work is as easy as looking into a mirror,
only you see your own soul -
how can one deny one's own face in the mirror?
Neither can one deny one's own soul.

What is difficult for non-reincarnationists to understand
is that reincarnation and PLMs are experienced,
not beliefs to be debated ...
and this experience is a soltary act
which changes nothing except individual self-knowledge.
Experiencing a PLM is a profoundly mystical moment
in the very deepest, most personal sense of self


The Vedas, among the world's oldest scriptures,
tell us that intention and meditation,
are guidepoints to experiencing a PLM.
Only then can he/she know

There is no other way.


57 writes: Most perfect place?
God's creation allows for every creature to have a home,
its most perfect place -
I imagine a demon's most perfect place would be akin to hell...


57 writes: I'm not saying a demon attaches itself to a soul then stays with it..
but rather a demon with previous knowledge 
of a former individual attaches itself to anyone..
perhaps you, then transfers the knowledge
making it appear as if it was reincarnation.
*smiles*
Perhaps me, eh?
...yes, p'haps.
But then my own teachers would've been very wrong
when they taught to be safe,
to always keep God in our hearts
and I would always be safe...

As to addressing the issue you bring up,
I would refer you to my previous response
about cleansing and purification.

This is what I was taught...
The first law of the Universe is: "Cause no harm."
Even Creator follows this.
But this law is difficult to keep,
so every being, at Death,
gets a chance to start anew -

Christians pay homage to this sacred ritual
in their homage to John the Baptist -
it was he who taught them how to honour
and how to experience  God's loving graciousness and mercy ...


Now, back to your question ...

because the soul is cleansed
of that which is not itself -
there is no 'stolen' knowledge to transfer

Creator,
or who is often called 'Grandfather' in my tradition,
is the container of compassion,
who bestows mercy on all  creatures...
even demons are cleansed,
of that which is not theirs,
(yes, that would include stolen identities) -
and yes probably kicking and screaming,
but even demons get a chance to start anew -

Problem is, demons being demons,
they tend to hang onto their (...a-hem!) demons -
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 5:42PM #28
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Nay_ho_tze, thank you for your reply. 


As a Christian I don't believe in reincarnation. 


Hebrews 9:27 ...Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,


That is why I asked about the possibility of a demon putting the past events of another into another individuals thoughts ...which then allows for  the belief in reincarnation. 

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 6:56PM #29
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Hebrews 9:27 refers to the body -
not the spirit -
spirit is eternal.
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 18, 2011 - 9:36PM #30
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Mar 18, 2011 -- 6:56PM, Nay_ho_tze wrote:


Hebrews 9:27 refers to the body -
not the spirit -
spirit is eternal.




Exactly.  You spirit only gets one body.   One life. 

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