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4 years ago  ::  Jan 30, 2011 - 1:46PM #1
turner_chris1
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Visio wrote in answer to another question


In the Al-Quran even to  Muhammadsaw was told that he would not convert anyone to the Islamic  Faith.  Only ALLAHsaw would will it.   By this not even the Al-Quran  would make anyone to convert.   And further more only ALLAH determines  where and when a soul is to be born and/or reborn to inherit the good or  bad spirit (DNA is a part of it) and bodies (of any offspring


So if this is true (is it?) then why do some Muslims get worried about anyone prosliatising to Muslims? They will only be led astray if Allah wills it - or am I missing something?



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4 years ago  ::  Jan 30, 2011 - 8:41PM #2
Al-Fatihah
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Jan 30, 2011 -- 1:46PM, turner_chris1 wrote:

Visio wrote in answer to another question


In the Al-Quran even to  Muhammadsaw was told that he would not convert anyone to the Islamic  Faith.  Only ALLAHsaw would will it.   By this not even the Al-Quran  would make anyone to convert.   And further more only ALLAH determines  where and when a soul is to be born and/or reborn to inherit the good or  bad spirit (DNA is a part of it) and bodies (of any offspring


So if this is true (is it?) then why do some Muslims get worried about anyone prosliatising to Muslims? They will only be led astray if Allah wills it - or am I missing something?








Response: I've never head of a Muslim getting worried, nor do I believe that any Muslim does. So I can't relate to your question.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 1:59PM #3
world citizen
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And further more only ALLAH  determines  where and when a soul is to be born and/or reborn to inherit  the good or  bad spirit (DNA is a part of it) and bodies (of any  offspring


Where does it say anywhere in the Islamic writings (Qur'an or ahadith) about DNA being "a part of it" (whatever IT is)?  Another personal interpretation?

Blessed is he who mingleth with all men in a spirit of utmost kindliness and love. ~Baha'u'llah
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 2:24PM #4
Aka_me
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Jan 30, 2011 -- 8:41PM, Al-Fatihah wrote:

Response: I've never head of a Muslim getting worried, nor do I believe that any Muslim does. So I can't relate to your question.



then why the wholesale execution?


why the disrespect to graves and innocent lives?


why the wrongful arrests?


if they weren't SO SCARED why couldn't they sit and explain themselves?


if not for FEAR... then why?

not being able to debate is one thing, employing censorship to avoid debate is beyond words.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 2:38PM #5
Al-Fatihah
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Jan 31, 2011 -- 2:24PM, Aka_me wrote:

Jan 30, 2011 -- 8:41PM, Al-Fatihah wrote:

Response: I've never head of a Muslim getting worried, nor do I believe that any Muslim does. So I can't relate to your question.



then why the wholesale execution?


why the disrespect to graves and innocent lives?


why the wrongful arrests?


if not for FEAR?






Response: Or rather, the better question is  why assume such actions are based on fear of proselytizing with no logical evidence other than to than for the purpose of propaganda?

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 2:44PM #6
Aka_me
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Jan 31, 2011 -- 2:38PM, Al-Fatihah wrote:

Response: Or rather, the better question is why assume such actions are based on fear of proselytizing with no logical evidence other than to than for the purpose of propaganda?



because there is no logical explanation.


can you provide a logical explanation for such INJUSTICE?


in the absence of logic and justice... the most common explanation is fear.

not being able to debate is one thing, employing censorship to avoid debate is beyond words.
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 2:49PM #7
turner_chris1
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so I can go to Saudi Arabia and open a church for the many christian people that live there, or the hindu's etc, they would let me would they ?


 


If I went there and started trying to convince people in a cafe that there is no God they would say go ahead, we dont care?


 


get real


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 6:33PM #8
visio
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Jan 31, 2011 -- 1:59PM, world citizen wrote:


And further more only ALLAH  determines  where and when a soul is to be born and/or reborn to inherit  the good or  bad spirit (DNA is a part of it) and bodies (of any  offspring


Where does it say anywhere in the Islamic writings (Qur'an or ahadith) about DNA being "a part of it" (whatever IT is)?  Another personal interpretation?




 


Oh silly me.......  Of course you cannot find the alphabets ...D.....N......A...... in the Arabic writngs of the Al-Quran.   And the Al-Quran is to be read for the spirits in the messages and they are all interconnected.   If they are not my personal interpretations then whose I am to quote like parrots?   Yours?   If they are to be yours, I am sorry to say that they are no here............and....no there.  But that gain is my personal interpretation.  Or should I say ....personal opinion.   Aren't this discussion board about that.   In fact, that should be the pillar of this board.   Geez................ what statement coming out of a moderator's mouth!

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 7:20PM #9
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Frankly, I firmly believe all evangelism to be evil, arrogant and a human rights violation. Christian evangelism of other faiths is evil. Muslim evangelism of other faiths is also evil. There is no excuse for such behavior by anyone.    

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2011 - 7:51PM #10
Al-Fatihah
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Jan 31, 2011 -- 7:40PM, Al-Fatihah wrote:

Jan 31, 2011 -- 2:44PM, Aka_me wrote:

Jan 31, 2011 -- 2:38PM, Al-Fatihah wrote:

Response: Or rather, the better question is why assume such actions are based on fear of proselytizing with no logical evidence other than to than for the purpose of propaganda?



because there is no logical explanation.


can you provide a logical explanation for such INJUSTICE?


in the absence of logic and justice... the most common explanation is fear.






Response: Therefore, if there's no logical explanation, then you are admitting to drawing a conclusion based on absolutely no logic. That simply does not make any sense.

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