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7 years ago  ::  Feb 04, 2011 - 8:19PM #11
Bezant
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Welcome to Beliefnet and the discussion, Masuma, it's a pleasure.

I know a few Muslims who feel kosher meat is acceptable if necessary, and if I'm not mistaken some Muslim authorities rule the same in certain contexts (i.e., if halal meat is unavailable). So there are clearly different opinions on the matter.

Kosher by-products (e.g., jello, sweets) are surely helpful in the US, but not a convenient option in the UK, where kosher products are rare even in large cities.

Vegetarian certifications are common, but these do not cover utensils/equipment's contact or exposure with haram products; however, it seems from the comments below that as long as  Muslim sincerely tries to observe a halal, the possibility of commiting an error is ok (and real).

Feb 4, 2011 -- 2:59PM, Masuma wrote:

I would like to correct the brother or sister who posted comments on 19JAN stating that the easiest solution if a person is unsure if the meat they are eating is halal would be to have Kosher meat. This statement is completely wrong and I urge my fellow brothers and sisters not follow this as you will be ending up eating Haram meat. Halal meat is that meat which has been slaughtered with Islamic rites where verse of holy Quran is recited on animal before slaughtering.




Feb 4, 2011 -- 2:59PM, Masuma wrote:


Kosher meat is only free from pork and its derivites but it is certainly not slaughtered with Islamic rites therefore to suggest this an al alternate is completely false.




Kosher meat is more than pork-free meat. It has it's own procedure of slaughter (slitting the throat, as the Islamic) and preparations and post-slaughter handling (draining blood, close inspection of the organs), theological basis, etc. Some animals considered halal (e.g., camel) do not qualify as kosher.

Feb 4, 2011 -- 2:59PM, Masuma wrote:


May I request that Beliefnet should correct such false statements so that people are not misguided.




Just to clarify, because you've just joined. Beliefnet is an open forum for debate where the guidelines permit. Because this is a Discuss Islam board, everything about Islam can be questioned, critiqued, argued, etc. On the community boards, e.g., Islam, these are largely restricted to believers and respectful guests. But even on the community boards there is some room for debate on non-core beliefs.

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7 years ago  ::  Feb 04, 2011 - 8:36PM #12
Bezant
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Feb 2, 2011 -- 7:23PM, Agnosticspirit wrote:

To the OP: Not so sure there should be a universal/worldwide governing body over halal food, but it's truly a shame when argri-business and monopolistic corporations engage in out and out FRAUD with false advertising and labeling.




I agree; I heard that an American company once marketed "organic" chickens because all organisms are organic (have oxygen, carbon). However, it's not always fraud; sometimes proprietors honestly don't know they're making a mistake. A Jewish friend of mine found a restaurant advertising "kosher-style" dishes, much to his amusement.

Feb 2, 2011 -- 7:23PM, Agnosticspirit wrote:



Remember the kerfluffel a few years ago when McDonald's had to admit they used protein (beef) flavoring in the oil used for french fries? Hindus and vegetarians in general were rightly upset because McD's advertised the falsehood that vegetable oil only was used in their fries.




Hence I do not eat McDonalds. They're too dodgy, and I don't believe their 'healthy' campaign. By the way, that sh^t has framaldahyde. I promise if you keep it in a plastic bag for a few months it won't grow mold.

Feb 2, 2011 -- 7:23PM, Agnosticspirit wrote:



I don't do kosher or halal but I do purchase organic/biodynamic produce and limit my proteins and dairy to free range, organic feed, non GHMO crap injected into livestock.



LOL, I understand, but I'm undecided about the effectiveness of these regulations too. My mum and I have stuck to glatt kosher meat for (one of) the reasons that, should it prove faulty, the butcher/company loses integrity.

Feb 2, 2011 -- 7:23PM, Agnosticspirit wrote:


It would be very upsetting to discover that a company who claims to raise livestock in equitable conditions is no better than a factory farm.
I completely sympathize with those who shop for halal foods and expect truth in labeling. 



I agree.

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7 years ago  ::  Feb 04, 2011 - 11:09PM #13
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Feb 4, 2011 -- 2:59PM, Masuma wrote:

I would like to correct the brother or sister who posted comments on 19JAN stating that the easiest solution if a person is unsure if the meat they are eating is halal would be to have Kosher meat. This statement is completely wrong and I urge my fellow brothers and sisters not follow this as you will be ending up eating Haram meat.




>>>>>>>> The brother who said it was a "Jewish brother". I do not know what prompted him to give "Fatwa" about a often debated "Islamic" issue but I am going to assume he was trying to "Help".

Having said that, do remember this is often debated issue among practicing Muslims. While I agree it is safe to seek "Zabiha-halal" meat for Muslims but there are good Muslims who consume meat prepared by "Ahl al Kitab" [ AKA Jews and Christians]. Therefore, in most western muslim communities it is known as Halal  and meat produced by Muslims and slaughtered by Muslims are known as Zabiha or Dhabiha-Halal meat.

While you are most welcome to restrict yourself to Zabiha-halal only meat. I would request you not to call other meat "Haram". Because those who consumer meat prepared by Jews and Christians often quote the following verse from the noble Qur'an......


This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,............

                                                [ Source: The noble Qur'an 5:5]


Feb 4, 2011 -- 2:59PM, Masuma wrote:



Halal meat is that meat which has been slaughtered with Islamic rites where verse of holy Quran is recited on animal before slaughtering. Kosher meat is only free from pork and its derivites but it is certainly not slaughtered with Islamic rites therefore to suggest this an al alternate is completely false. 

May I request that Beliefnet should correct such false statements so that people are not misguided. 

  





>>>>>>>>> Hang tight sister. People make all kind of "False" statements about Islam in open forum like it. Be tolerant of their opinions and try your best to present authentic Islam. This is how our last prophet Muhammad (PBUH) tought Islam to a community who lived in ignorance. With amazing grace and openess he tought them love and compassion. Which took them from darkness to light. As followers of prophet Muhammad (PBUH), we have to strive towards that "Straight path".

Do not expect "Others" to correct wrong perception of Islam among non-Muslims [ And Muslims!]. It is OUR job and we have to do it.

May peace be unto you.

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