| 3 years ago :: Jul 30, 2010 - 2:21PM #1 | |
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Carolyn Glick has hit the nail on the head in describing anti-Zionism as "the most endemic" form of contemporary anti-Semitism. www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article... or www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=183073 Column One: See no evil By CAROLINE B. GLICK . . . ALL OF this brings us to a discussion of the most endemic form of contemporary anti-Semitism: Anti-Zionism. There is no reason for anyone to be surprised that anti-Semites deny that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. After all, they deny that every other form of anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism. Why should anti-Zionism receive special treatment? It is self-evident that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. When someone says they oppose Irish nationalism, the obvious conclusion is that they don’t like Irish people. Just so, people who are anti-French tend not to like French people. And yet, the anti- Zionists would have us believe that their opposition to the Jewish state has nothing to do with their feelings about Jews. . . . What makes contemporary anti-Semitism unique is its purveyors’ great efforts to hide its very existence. Their motivation is clear. Outside the openly genocidal anti-Semitic Muslim world, most anti-Semites are self-described liberals who claim to oppose bigotry. For these people, pretending away their prejudice is the key to their continued claim to enlightenment. And I am sorry I wrote this column.
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 01, 2010 - 3:27AM #2 | |
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 01, 2010 - 4:31PM #3 | |
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I don't consider myself anti-Zionist. To be honest, I just don't care. While I doubt EVERYONE deserves their own nation, if you want one -- go for it. I don't care either way. The problem arises when there are multiple groups of people on one plot of land and they can't agree on how to deal with it. To me, that is the reality of that region and picking one group over another just seems ... impractical. Personally? I don't feel that if the US had to fight for its independence today, we'd end up with one nation. We still have states that argue for "states' rights" (translation: just shut up and let us do what we want), and yet their first gripe is that the Feds aren't helping them like they should. Our country has been, from the very beginning, profoundly self-absorbed and little interested in national health unless someone throws a bomb or airplane our way. Then, for maybe half an hour, the nation will be "united" ... at least until there's something new to gripe about. To me, nationalism is like marriage ... if it works for you ... wonderful ... I just don't feel like getting involved in it.
Knock and the door shall open. It's not my fault if you don't like the decor.
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 02, 2010 - 9:55AM #4 | |
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I regret that my feelings nowadays are about the same as Iwantamotto's. I just can't bring myself to care all that much about Israel. Of course I believe that the Jewish people is a people like any other and thus entitle to the right of national self-determination if they claim it. Of course I feel obligated to support other Jews in their endeavors. I just don't think I can care any more what celebrities or liberal academics or even Middle Eastern despots have to say about Israel. Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself against aggression, and so long as it is in the geopolitical interests of the United States to have a non-theocratic Arab ally in the Middle East (read: as long as the world economy depends on oil) Israel will survive, regardless of what Oliver Stone, Juan Cole, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say about it. I just can't feel passionate about a country with an established religion that disrespects my religious convictions, that bars one-half of the citizenry from access to sacred national monuments, and that thinks building colonial settlements of religious extremists in occupied territory is somehow a good thing. The postponement of the conversion bill to after the High Holidays has postponed my need to affiliate with the boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement - although I'm not sure I could muster the passion to care enough even then. So long as Israel has one of the best militaries in the world and so long as its existence is conducive to the geopolitical interests of the global imperial power, it's not going anywhere. Indeed, if anyone did decide to nuke Israel out of existence, it would precipate a military crisis that would most likely take the rest of us with it. However, Jews survived for 1900 years wilthout Israel and we would survive without Israel again if need be. And if God intends for there to be a Jewish state, there will be a Jewish state regardless of the whims of mortal men. |
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 02, 2010 - 12:22PM #5 | |
Niciendo what you're saying reminds me of a professor I know who specialises in Islamic-Christian relations. One day he commented on a [nation--insert here]'s right to exist: "The reason why states exist is because they can." I don't think anyone disagrees with that one. |
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 02, 2010 - 12:23PM #6 | |
What was this bill about? |
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 02, 2010 - 12:47PM #7 | |
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I still don't understand the logic behind moving this thread from the Middle East News forum. Israel -- the eternal Jewish homeland -- is and will always be right where it is: in the middle of the Middle East.
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 02, 2010 - 1:04PM #8 | |
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Heidi, it's never been possible to have any kind of discussion about Zionism on that baord precisely because of the 'anti-Zionist' contingent which defines Zionism (AND Judaism per se!) as 'racist' and 'exclusionary' . NOT 'the Israeli government', not 'the party in power' - but the essence of Zionism itself. The many voices of 'outsiders' are too busy defining what THEY BELIEVE we believe 'Zionism' means to let our voices be heard. And even then, they refuse to listen. It's tough being small..... |
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 02, 2010 - 1:30PM #9 | |
Officially and originally, it was a way to streamline the conversion process for the thousands of Russian immigrants in Israel who are of Jewish descent but not officially Jewish according to Jewish law.
Once they arrive in Israel, however, they are not considered Jewish and thus cannot get married or be buried in Jewish cemeteries or the like. But at least they got the automatic expedited citizenship that the Law of Return enabled. The conversion bill would have given the Chief Rabbinate the power to determine whose conversions were valid under the Law of Return, thus excluding non-Orthodox converts from citizenship. |
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| 3 years ago :: Aug 02, 2010 - 1:34PM #10 | |
That is essentially true. There is no supreme global authority that can grant peoples the right to form nation-states or the right to keep them. Historically, nation-states exist because 1.) Their citizens will them to exist and 2.) The great powers of the day allow them to exist. Of those two, 1.) is the more crucial. Nations exist first and foremost in the hearts and minds of their people. If the will to nationhood is strong enough, it can prevail over the might of empires. |
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