Jul 29, 2012 -- 11:45PM, El Cid wrote:

Exactly, if the purpose of evolution is just to pass on your genes, then a man that rapes multiple women is doing nothing wrong.

Yet Atheists find rape to be immoral - and we do it without the need for a god to tell us it's wrong. And, by the way, your version of evolution is wrong. The sad part is that it is wrong on purpose.

Jul 29, 2012 -- 11:45PM, El Cid wrote:

Exactly, if the purpose of evolution is just to pass on your genes, then a man that rapes multiple women is doing nothing wrong.

The two things cannot be coupled like that.

Jul 30, 2012 -- 4:29PM, Aka_me wrote:

Hinduism defined karma... and others ripped them off then forgot having done so.

"Karma" was a magical belief long before the Hindus came along. They wanted the Universe to be fair so they made up something to make it appear to be fair. Most of us now know that the Universe is neither fair nor unfair. It just is. There is no great score card or great score keeper.

Jul 22, 2012 -- 6:23PM, christine3 wrote:

chris: Cid, begging your pardon, there are excellent scholars researching the words now, that you don't even know about.  Even so, the divinatory meaning of the words is not understood by the best researchers on the planet.

El Cid:  If I don't know about them they are probably questionable or on the fringe. If the best researchers do not understand them then they are probably meaningless. It sounds like you are claiming special knowledge that only certain others approved by you can know, ie Gnosticism.

>>>Quite a serious allegation from you who have not a clue where your religion came from.  It came from John the Immerser's group, but his teachings were absorbed after he was beheaded, in the ensuing 200 years, by Rome's state religion.  Jesus was an effigy of John the Baptist, but now had turned into a fanciful God-man, while John fell to the level of Jesus' sandal straps.  Then the Mandaeans disappeared into the desert, keeping their own teachings intact, while quite another thing was happening out in the world.  Sixteen hundred years later, a Tuscan monk traveling through Mesopotamia found the Mandaeans who were called the Nazoreans at the time of John the Baptist.  Through exchanges of their respective knowledge, it became apparent to the Mandaeans that some of their understanding had been stolen by a evil priest named Jesus.  The monk took the knowledge back to the Vatican that he had found John the Baptist's descendants, and the Roman Catholic Church buried it.  I'm sure the Roman Catholic hierarchy freezes in fear every time new findings surface exposing them as thieves and liars of the worst kind.  Not only is Roman Catholicism dying, but all the Christian denominations that came after.  You say you have read the literature, but you haven't.

Chrisine-Blu-El Cid

Do you believe that Jesus existed as the Incarnated God? 

I am not asking if you believe he existed as a prophet, or a shaman or anything else other than an incarnation of God.    

Jul 5, 2012 -- 1:22PM, christine3 wrote:

Jul 5, 2012 -- 1:14AM, chevy956 wrote:

ec: There are serious problems with your assertions above. There could not have been a rivalry between Noah and Moses, there is evidence that Noah lived as much as 1 million years before Moses. So no rivalry is possible. Also the reason that Christians believed that divination was a sin was because the ancient hebrews including Noah and Moses believed it was a sin. And they were considered prophets of God by both hebrews and Christians.

chris: Cid, I didn't say there was a rivalry between Noah and Moses.  Rather than me having "serious problems", it is you that is cloudy on the history and need to study up.  Noah and Moses lived in different time periods according to the below history.  Noah was not an ancient Hebrew, because he was from the Mandaean history, going back to Sumer.

I have studied ancient biblical history quite a bit. No, the evidence points to Noah living before Sumer existed. 

 

 

chris: These two people were from two different parts of the world, Sumer (Noah) and Egypt (Moses).  It is evident also that the length of their lives has to be studied more closely because the earlier patriarchs (Noah, etc.) were exceedingly long-lived, apparently knowing how to prolong their lives, which is not surprising to me.  There are things they knew that we don't.

Actually, there is evidence that certain levels of radiation increased from the time of Noah to the time of Moses thereby helping to lower lifespans.  

 

chris: The evidence is, the story of Noah goes back to the Flood of Gilgamesh, at least 2,500-2,750 years BCE (at least 4,500 to 4,750 years ago).  Noah is the ancestor of the Mandaeans.  He was elderly at the time of the flood, beginning the building of the boat in his 600th year, living 300 years after the flood.  He lived 950 years.  

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No, the biblical flood took place long before Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh is an ancient memory of the actual flood during Noahic times.

chris: Divination in the time of Noah was NOT a sin.  Noah used it to survive.  He would have been able to tell in advance when a flood would occur.  (Divination was later called a sin by greedy priests who wanted to keep the secrets for themselves.)

He didn't need divination, God told him when the flood would come. 

chris: Divination was used by Moses also.  He would have been able to tell in advance the Ten Plagues before Pharoah capitulated to let the Isrealite slaves go.  Remember, I told you the ancient Isrealites (Urim and Thummim) used divination to tell truth.  The story of Moses' staff devouring Pharoah's staff is really a story of Moses' divination skills being stronger than Pharoah's power.  The story also goes that God "told" Moses where water was located in the desert.  Remember "God" is a recent invention.  He really used divination to find it.  You won't believe anything I tell you because you only know what you've learned in your church and haven't studied the history.

No, Moses knew when the plagues would be because God told him. Most of this history I learned on my own and in College. Your version of history doesn't fit secular understanding of ancient history nor the history taught in most Churches.