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11 months ago  ::  Jul 06, 2012 - 9:48PM #5371
mountain_man
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Jul 6, 2012 -- 12:27AM, christine3 wrote:

Oh you do?  Enlighten me.


Not possible. You have to attain enlightenment on your own.

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 06, 2012 - 10:16PM #5372
Blü
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Cid


There is evidence that Noah lived as much as 1 million years before Moses.


There is no evidence that-


(a) Noah existed,

(b) Moses existed,

(c) the species of Homo living a million years ago could talk, keep records, build boats, keep domesticated animals, cultivate plants and so on and so on,

(d) Yahweh existed earlier than ~1500 BCE.



How many times must we ask you to stop pulling your 'facts' out of the back of your pants?


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11 months ago  ::  Jul 06, 2012 - 10:24PM #5373
teilhard
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"Enlightenment" takes Time and Experience -- and Emptiness ...


Jul 6, 2012 -- 9:48PM, mountain_man wrote:


Jul 6, 2012 -- 12:27AM, christine3 wrote:

Oh you do?  Enlighten me.


Not possible. You have to attain enlightenment on your own.





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11 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2012 - 2:05AM #5374
christine3
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Jul 6, 2012 -- 9:45PM, mountain_man wrote:

 Egyptologists, those are people that study the ancient history if Egypt, all agree that those events did not take place. 





That, of course, is not true.  One can't take a disputed incident out of the findings and say, "Look, an Exodus didn't happen."  Maybe it would help if you specified what you mean by "those events". This article is the most easy on the eyes.  


worldview3.50webs.com/exodus.html


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11 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2012 - 9:38AM #5375
Iwantamotto
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It's entirely possible that Egyptians censored their records to keep Moses' rebellion quiet.  However, they are not 100% good at this.  They tried to delete Hatshepshut and Akhenaten.  Yet, we can still find out about them.  Where are the invoices regarding enslaved Hebrews?  We've found worker towns with invoices regarding paid workers, not slaves.  Where are the funerary pictures of slave masters with thousands of Hebrew slaves?  Where are funerary rooms for the soldiers who died in the flooding of the Red Sea?  No matter how badass the Egyptian government was, it couldn't cleanse every square inch of Egypt of the "Hebrew problem".

Knock and the door shall open.  It's not my fault if you don't like the decor.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2012 - 9:54AM #5376
christine3
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"All" (?) Egyptologists agree the (or an) Exodus never took place?  Where do you get your information?  


www.squidoo.com/redseacrossing


There are some people who say the Holocaust never took place.  I wonder why they do that.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2012 - 10:19AM #5377
Ken
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Jul 7, 2012 -- 9:54AM, christine3 wrote:


"All" (?) Egyptologists agree the (or an) Exodus never took place?  Where do you get your information?  


www.squidoo.com/redseacrossing


That site is all about Ron Wyatt. Didn't you notice? Don't you know who Ron Wyatt was?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt


There are some people who say the Holocaust never took place.  I wonder why they do that.


Because they're Nazis. The Exodus is an entirely different matter. You merely have to read the Biblical account to see that it's nonsense from beginning to end.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2012 - 10:23AM #5378
Ken
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Jul 7, 2012 -- 2:05AM, christine3 wrote:


Jul 6, 2012 -- 9:45PM, mountain_man wrote:

 Egyptologists, those are people that study the ancient history if Egypt, all agree that those events did not take place.



That, of course, is not true.  One can't take a disputed incident out of the findings and say, "Look, an Exodus didn't happen."  Maybe it would help if you specified what you mean by "those events". This article is the most easy on the eyes.  


worldview3.50webs.com/exodus.html



That's a Christian apologetic website.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2012 - 10:40AM #5379
christine3
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Jul 7, 2012 -- 10:19AM, Ken wrote:


Jul 7, 2012 -- 9:54AM, christine3 wrote:


"All" (?) Egyptologists agree the (or an) Exodus never took place?  Where do you get your information?  


www.squidoo.com/redseacrossing


That site is all about Ron Wyatt. Didn't you notice? Don't you know who Ron Wyatt was?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt


There are some people who say the Holocaust never took place.  I wonder why they do that.


Because they're Nazis. The Exodus is an entirely different matter. You merely have to read the Biblical account to see that it's nonsense from beginning to end.





I never heard of Ron Wyatt, but now I know who he was, and just read some stuff about his claim to find the Arc of the Covenant.  It seems his exhilaration got the best of him, in some instances.  However, the findings at the Red Sea seem authentic enough to me, the photos, etc.  


My asking MM to specify what "events" he's talking about should show that my head is in the right place.  Like I said in effect, ya can't throw the baby out with the bath water.  We all know that the way the Bible reads leads us to frustration.  There are exaggerations because humans exaggerate.  Also, most of the time people read out of context.  For instance, if the Bible states how many exited out of Egypt (600,000 was it?) it may be an exaggeration, or it may be not all at once.  So many wrong conclusions.  Thanks to archeology, we can sort it all out.  IMO, after all the hemming and hawing, there is evidence an Exodus (or several) took place.


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11 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2012 - 10:50AM #5380
christine3
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Jul 7, 2012 -- 10:23AM, Ken wrote:


Jul 7, 2012 -- 2:05AM, christine3 wrote:


Jul 6, 2012 -- 9:45PM, mountain_man wrote:

 Egyptologists, those are people that study the ancient history if Egypt, all agree that those events did not take place.



That, of course, is not true.  One can't take a disputed incident out of the findings and say, "Look, an Exodus didn't happen."  Maybe it would help if you specified what you mean by "those events". This article is the most easy on the eyes.  


worldview3.50webs.com/exodus.html



That's a Christian apologetic website.




That doesn't matter to me.  I don't look necessarily at who

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