I'm discussing the term "Islamist", not reacting to it. Sharia is the divine law expressed in revelations from Allah (swt) and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Islam is the submission of one's will to that of the Creator. On the Arabian peninsula, Islam and the Quran were transmitted by the Angel Gabriel to the Seal of the Prophet over a period of 23 years. The command to surrender to God's Will existed prior to the revelations to the Arabs, and among it's previous prophets are Moses, Jesus, Abraham and Adam.
What your ARE reacting to is the term Islamist, sis.
Think of it, if the Sharia was really a part of Islam it would be called Islam instead of some word that was manufactured by whatever Arab manufactured that word.
I would also add that the word Islam was "manufactured" by some Arab.
All words are "manufactured" by some human being.
I must agree with Miraj here. While I must point out there were concepts Islam needed to address which didn't have words in the Arabic language resulting in later scholars appropriating words for their own technical use (one example being `aqida, meaning something tied by a knot and later used by theologians to indicate a point of belief), you will find words being adapted for use in the Qur'an too. Shari`a is actually mentioned in the Qur'an in an early verse: "O Prophet, We have put you on the Right Way (Shari'ah) concerning the religion, so follow it, and do not yield to the desires of ignorant people;" (Qur'an 45: 18, Malik trans). The word used in Arabic is actually shari`a, which has the original lexical meaning of "a path to water." Here it clearly means the "right path of religion", which is actually a much wider concept than just legal commands. Shari`a is therefore a part of the religion, but not Islam itself.
I must agree with Miraj here. While I must point out there were concepts Islam needed to address which didn't have words in the Arabic language resulting in later scholars appropriating words for their own technical use (one example being `aqida, meaning something tied by a knot and later used by theologians to indicate a point of belief), you will find words being adapted for use in the Qur'an too.
I will certainly agree that words are adapted and changed and appropiated by human beings wether they are theologians, scientists, or philosophers for their own techinical use. Just as 'aqida' was adopted by Muslim theologions to indicate a point of belief, so is the word "islamist" been appriopiated to mean "political islam" by french scholars.
Shari`a is actually mentioned in the Qur'an in an early verse: "O Prophet, We have put you on the Right Way (Shari'ah) concerning the religion, so follow it, and do not yield to the desires of ignorant people;" (Qur'an 45: 18, Malik trans). The word used in Arabic is actually shari`a, which has the original lexical meaning of "a path to water." Here it clearly means the "right path of religion", which is actually a much wider concept than just legal commands. Shari`a is therefore a part of the religion, but not Islam itself.
So the Arabic word shari'a which orginally meant "a path to water" was adapted by Muslim theologians-scholars who I am pretty sure were human to mean the "right path of religion" which is Islam. It was not Allah who adapted-appropiated either the word 'aqida' or 'shri'a'.
Both words are in the Arabic language.
Just as Christian Arabs would use the word "Allah" in place of the English word "God" they could use the word shari'a as the "right path of religion" i.e. christianity,
Shari`a is actually mentioned in the Qur'an in an early verse: "O Prophet, We have put you on the Right Way (Shari'ah) concerning the religion, so follow it, and do not yield to the desires of ignorant people;" (Qur'an 45: 18, Malik trans). The word used in Arabic is actually shari`a, which has the original lexical meaning of "a path to water." Here it clearly means the "right path of religion", which is actually a much wider concept than just legal commands. Shari`a is therefore a part of the religion, but not Islam itself.
So the Arabic word shari'a which orginally meant "a path to water" was adapted by Muslim theologians-scholars who I am pretty sure were human to mean the "right path of religion" which is Islam. It was not Allah who adapted-appropiated either the word 'aqida' or 'shri'a'.
Both words are in the Arabic language.
Just as Christian Arabs would use the word "Allah" in place of the English word "God" they could use the word shari'a as the "right path of religion" i.e. christianity,
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - - that's all."
-Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There
Sharia is the divine law expressed in revelations from Allah (swt) and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Islam is the submission of one's will to that of the Creator.
That is the Islamic defination of the Arabic word.
The command to surrender to God's Will existed prior to the revelations to the Arabs, and among it's previous prophets are Moses, Jesus, Abraham and Adam.
Then the Jews and Christians who surrendered to Gods; will were Muslims.
However Moses, Jesus, Abraham and Adam did not follow the Quran nor did they follow the practices of Muhammad.
What your ARE reacting to is the term Islamist, sis.
Think of it, if the Sharia was really a part of Islam it would be called Islam instead of some word that was manufactured by whatever Arab manufactured that word.
I would also add that the word Islam was "manufactured" by some Arab.
Sharia is the divine law expressed in revelations from Allah (swt) and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Islam is the submission of one's will to that of the Creator.
That is the Islamic defination of the Arabic word.
The command to surrender to God's Will existed prior to the revelations to the Arabs, and among it's previous prophets are Moses, Jesus, Abraham and Adam.
Then the Jews and Christians who surrendered to Gods; will were Muslims.
However Moses, Jesus, Abraham and Adam did not follow the Quran nor did they follow the practices of Muhammad.
No, they didn't have to since they were God's (swt) prophets and they followed God's Will. Muhammad (pbuh) also followed God's Will, as His prophets are directed to do. That's why we look to his practice for guidance, but we also look to the pracice of the other prophets, as well. There is nothing stopping us from following the practice of Jesus, as we are called to. The truth of the Torah, the Injeel and the Quran are all offered to us as guidance, as they were to the Prophet Muhammad.
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ROLF, I agree. I am reacting your denial that 1.2 billion Muslims deny that political-Islam-Islamism-Islamist is not Islamic or has nothing to do with Islam and that the hundreds of Islamic Political parties and 50 or so countries that are member of the OIC are not "Islamic".
Sharia is the divine law expressed in revelations from Allah (swt) and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Islam is the submission of one's will to that of the Creator.
The command to surrender to God's Will existed prior to the revelations to the Arabs, and among it's previous prophets are Moses, Jesus, Abraham and Adam.
Then the Jews and Christians who surrendered to Gods; will were Muslims.
However Moses, Jesus, Abraham and Adam did not follow the Quran nor did they follow the practices of Muhammad.
No, they didn't have to since they were God's (swt) prophets and they followed God's Will. Muhammad (pbuh) also followed God's Will, as His prophets are directed to do.
And if they followed God's will then they were Muslims.
That's why we look to his practice for guidance, but we also look to the pracice of the other prophets, as well. There is nothing stopping us from following the practice of Jesus, as we are called to. The truth of the Torah, the Injeel and the Quran are all offered to us as guidance, as they were to the Prophet Muhammad.
Then Christians who follow the guidance of Injeel, the Gospels, the N.T. and the Torah are Muslims.
Disclaimer: The opinions of this member are not primarily informed by western ethnocentric paradigms, stereotypes rooted in anti-Muslim/Islam hysteria, "Israel can do no wrong" intransigence, or the perceived need to protect the Judeo-Christian world from invading foreign religions and legal concepts. By expressing such views, no inherent attempt is being made to derail or hijack threads, but that may be the result. The result is not the responsibility of this member.
I am reacting your denial that 1.2 billion Muslims deny that political-Islam-Islamism-Islamist is not Islamic or has nothing to do with Islam and that the hundreds of Islamic Political parties and 50 or so countries that are member of the OIC are not "Islamic".
Link to the poll or it didn't happen.
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As to global views, here is an interesting survey on the percentage of Muslims in selected countries viewing themselves as modernizers or fundamentalists. Here is how the same respondents felt about harsh punishments, democracy, gender segregation, suicide bombing (slightly higher figures only in the Near East where also the largest group of respondents considered it never justifiable). The trend of support for suicide bombing has moreover been in consistent decline.
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