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Aggressive women are the winners
3 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2009 - 12:00PM #1
dsfin
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Leah was so bold and wanted a husband so bad, she took over her sisters wedding tent. She became the mother of the Jews.


Ruth sneakily crawed into bed with Boaz and became the Grandmother of King David.


Guys need encouragement...go get them girls

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2009 - 12:08PM #2
Kwinters
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Oct 21, 2009 -- 12:00PM, dsfin wrote:


Leah was so bold and wanted a husband so bad, she took over her sisters wedding tent. She became the mother of the Jews.


Ruth sneakily crawed into bed with Boaz and became the Grandmother of King David.


Guys need encouragement...go get them girls





Sarah allowed Abraham to whore her out to the Pharoah (or however it's spelled, I can't be bothered to look it up at the moment).


Hagar bore Abraham a child and then he did nothing when Sarah booted her and his child out into the wilderness.


Lot's wife did nothing when he offered his virgin daughters up to his townsfolk.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2009 - 12:49PM #3
Daldianus
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Lot's daughters made him drunk and had sex with him.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2009 - 1:41PM #4
Svetlana
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Oct 21, 2009 -- 12:08PM, Kwinters wrote:


Oct 21, 2009 -- 12:00PM, dsfin wrote:


Leah was so bold and wanted a husband so bad, she took over her sisters wedding tent. She became the mother of the Jews.


Ruth sneakily crawed into bed with Boaz and became the Grandmother of King David.


Guys need encouragement...go get them girls




Sarah allowed Abraham to whore her out to the Pharoah (or however it's spelled, I can't be bothered to look it up at the moment).


Hagar bore Abraham a child and then he did nothing when Sarah booted her and his child out into the wilderness.


Lot's wife did nothing when he offered his virgin daughters up to his townsfolk.


 



You're right about Sarah and Lot's wife, but Hagar was a slave and there was nothing she could do.  ALL women were considered sub-human livestock, so the little that some managed was pretty big indeed.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2009 - 12:49PM #5
Kwinters
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Oct 21, 2009 -- 1:41PM, Svetlana wrote:


Oct 21, 2009 -- 12:08PM, Kwinters wrote:


Oct 21, 2009 -- 12:00PM, dsfin wrote:


Leah was so bold and wanted a husband so bad, she took over her sisters wedding tent. She became the mother of the Jews.


Ruth sneakily crawed into bed with Boaz and became the Grandmother of King David.


Guys need encouragement...go get them girls




Sarah allowed Abraham to whore her out to the Pharoah (or however it's spelled, I can't be bothered to look it up at the moment).


Hagar bore Abraham a child and then he did nothing when Sarah booted her and his child out into the wilderness.


Lot's wife did nothing when he offered his virgin daughters up to his townsfolk.


 



You're right about Sarah and Lot's wife, but Hagar was a slave and there was nothing she could do.  ALL women were considered sub-human livestock, so the little that some managed was pretty big indeed.




 


I agree Hagar got the smelly end of the stick, but that idiot Abraham could have stood up for his child and his babymama, protected them and took care of them considering they were so vulnerable.


What an ass he was!


 

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If someone says, “Oh, I’m not a feminist,” I ask, “Why, what’s your problem?”

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2009 - 2:50PM #6
Daldianus
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Oct 22, 2009 -- 2:42PM, Curiousgeorge wrote:


You got that right. But then again Abe was insane and would be locked up in prison for extreme child abuse and child endangerment if he pulled that stunt with Isaac in our times.




Uh, most of the people in the OT would be locked up then, BibleGod included.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2009 - 4:22PM #7
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Aggressive women rock!


My wife made me say that.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2009 - 7:47PM #8
dsfin
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The real winner for my vote, would be Esther.


She won the sex contest (what did she do to win) and became Queen.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 23, 2009 - 10:58AM #9
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'Esther' is not a Hebrew word:  it, like the story, comes from Persia.  'Esther' is actually the same as 'Aster'  and means 'star'.  The Hebrew word for 'star' is 'kochav'.....   So who is 'Esther' in Hebrew? ' Hadassah', which means 'myrtle' as in the tree.  It's one of the 'four species' of Succot.  Myrtle has a nice smell but no taste:  it's likened to one who has done good deeds, but has not studied Torah. 


Before we go about assuming connections between one language and another, it helps to be aware of how those two languages are structured and the sounds which are or are not part of its vocabulary.   And transliterations are often more of a hindrance than any help - unless again, one knows the system which the transliteration was using.  Hebrew, for example, contains NO sound like the English 'J' :  the closest is English 'Y'.  Nor does Hebrew have any sound resembling the 'th' of English 'thing' (a sound represented in OE by the letter 'thorn'):  that 'little town' would be properly pronounced "BET-leh-CHem" (with the CH being the guttural 'German' version' not the 'ch' of 'chap')....


 

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 23, 2009 - 2:47PM #10
LeahOne
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'relgious propaganda'???   I think that's rather strong language, LOL!


After all, the Esther story is in the 'Writings' section, the least authoritative portion of the Hebrew Bible.  And it's not exactly a matter of 'core beliefs' or 'doctrine'....not that Judaism has much in the way of formal doctrine.


It's just a story - at least to everyone who doesn't take the whole thing literally. One facet of the foundational mythos.   Ishtar and Marduk are at least 'local', no surprise there. It's not like ancient peoples didn't go around borrowing one another's good plotlines for their inspiratonal stories.....

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