Jun 13, 2012 -- 12:06AM, Ironhold wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:37PM, Glorybound wrote:

I was not trying to offend anyone. I just get very discouraged when some Mormons call themselves 'Christians' when they do not follow Bible teachings, God's Word.

This is another thing that you're going to have to learn:

Don't automatically presume that your personal interpretation of scripture happens to be God's personal to-do list.

A lot of times, we get people who go "This is what I believe, and anyone else is wrong!".

Nine for ten, these people are barely literate when it comes to their own belief system and completely ignorant about anyone else's; they're just going off of bravado and whatever their minister told them the previous Sunday.

If you haven't, I'd suggest reading The Mosser-Owen Report before continuing much further; it might enlighten you a bit about how you intend to continue approaching us.

To put it plainly, most of us Mormons have been at it for some time. Bold assertions and "I'm so disappointed you disagree with me" just won't hack it around here. We've seen things posted here that would probably appal you, if not make you physically ill. 

I myself have been doing apologetics for over a decade now, and in that time I've actually been threatened with violence and cyber-stalked by "Good Christians" who couldn't take me in an honest debate and so resorted to playing dirty in order to "win". That's right: I'm a marked man simply for being Mormon.

What's more, I live in Central Texas, which is not a nice place to live if you're a religious minority or have hobbies that aren't in the mainstream. Among other things, the building I worship at has been broken into, entered, vandalized, and even desecrated so often that we've lost count of the individual incidents. I'm the finance clerk for my congregation, and I do not enter the building without at least one good tactical knife at my disposal just in case someone's in there who shouldn't be (Texas forbids concealed-carry inside of churches).

A finance clerk for your chapel.  Sort of sounds like something from Charles Dickens.  Iron, your responses, as always histrionic and boastful, are also revelatory in a way you never intended. 

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:09AM, Ironhold wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 4:00AM, Habala?! wrote:

In your recent church talk you felt the need to explain terms like "elevator pitch" and "upsell", like these were words that the non MBA "candidates" (that's a term I don't get. if I want an MBA there are plenty of schools public and private willing to let me pursue one) wouldn't understand. Those are entry level customer service/sales terms and not so special.

Generally speaking, it's considered customary to explain terms that you aren't sure the audience will comprehend.

I was intrigued in your nodding peroration that you admitted that you worship two gods with bodies and a Ghost who isn't a body, as you suggested, yet.   It's been a while since I heard an LDS to paganism. 

Jun 13, 2012 -- 8:04PM, moksha8088 wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:39PM, Glorybound wrote:

Just get discouraged when some Mormons call themselves "Christians" when they do not follow God's Word in the Bible.

Imagine the discouragement faced when those calling themselves Christian do no act in a Christ-like manner.  It is like they have the words but not the spirit.  Doesn't matter though, since it is our task to not judge but to forgive and hopefully offer them some chocolate chip cookies with macadamia nuts.

Mormons are going to be surprised, along with many other exclusivist folks, when they enter God's Presence, and discern that, when they baptised and preached, they were doing God's will; then, they will have to share the Presence with people from Wisconsin. 

Jun 13, 2012 -- 8:18PM, moksha8088 wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 8:13PM, mecdukebec wrote:

Mormons are going to be surprised, along with many other exclusivist folks, when they enter God's Presence, and discern that, when they baptised and preached, they were doing God's will; then, they will have to share the Presence with people from Wisconsin. 

Even with their new Governor?  All of us together would make for a pretty formidable union. 

Let the Koch Bros burn in hell. 

Jun 13, 2012 -- 7:00AM, mecdukebec wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 12:06AM, Ironhold wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:37PM, Glorybound wrote:

I was not trying to offend anyone. I just get very discouraged when some Mormons call themselves 'Christians' when they do not follow Bible teachings, God's Word.

This is another thing that you're going to have to learn:

Don't automatically presume that your personal interpretation of scripture happens to be God's personal to-do list.

A lot of times, we get people who go "This is what I believe, and anyone else is wrong!".

Nine for ten, these people are barely literate when it comes to their own belief system and completely ignorant about anyone else's; they're just going off of bravado and whatever their minister told them the previous Sunday.

If you haven't, I'd suggest reading The Mosser-Owen Report before continuing much further; it might enlighten you a bit about how you intend to continue approaching us.

To put it plainly, most of us Mormons have been at it for some time. Bold assertions and "I'm so disappointed you disagree with me" just won't hack it around here. We've seen things posted here that would probably appal you, if not make you physically ill. 

I myself have been doing apologetics for over a decade now, and in that time I've actually been threatened with violence and cyber-stalked by "Good Christians" who couldn't take me in an honest debate and so resorted to playing dirty in order to "win". That's right: I'm a marked man simply for being Mormon.

What's more, I live in Central Texas, which is not a nice place to live if you're a religious minority or have hobbies that aren't in the mainstream. Among other things, the building I worship at has been broken into, entered, vandalized, and even desecrated so often that we've lost count of the individual incidents. I'm the finance clerk for my congregation, and I do not enter the building without at least one good tactical knife at my disposal just in case someone's in there who shouldn't be (Texas forbids concealed-carry inside of churches).

A finance clerk for your chapel.  Sort of sounds like something from Charles Dickens.  Iron, your responses, as always histrionic and boastful, are also revelatory in a way you never intended. 

I had the same thought, but knew that you would do a better job posting it. Its funny how you have a way with the English language.