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4 years ago  ::  Aug 05, 2009 - 9:12AM #1
matica
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That is why I'm gonna go to hell, because I don't believe everything the bible say's, one of them being 1 Cor. 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints,


So I guess I should just go be a Jehovah's witness since they live by the bible more closely than any other religion and they believe if you don't be one of them, your not worshipping the right God.


Maybe I should just invest the rest of my life here on earth becoming the best at greek, aramic, hebrew, because if you don't know enough of these languages, the bible doesn't make any sense, you have to be a scholar in order to understand alllllllll these things, and you have to be a archeologist, and a rocket scientist and a theologian...all wrapped up into one...just to understand the bible and what message God is getting across, which is vastly different from one religion to another. Maybe just maybe God wanted to confuss us, and why would he do so if he wanted us to worship him in spirit and truth?

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 06, 2009 - 3:29PM #2
world citizen
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That is why I'm gonna go to hell, because I don't believe everything the bible say's ...

Where in the Bible does it tell you that that's a cause for the eternal damnation of your soul?  Someone has misled you.

Jehovah's witness ... believe if you don't be one of them, your not worshipping the right God.

How many gods do the Jehovah Witnesses think that there are?  A Christian, and the followers of all monotheistic faiths, believe that there is only one God.  If the various Christian denominations, including the JW's, have different understandings, this is the fault of fallible men and not of God.

... the bible doesn't make any sense, you have to be a scholar in order to understand alllllllll these things ...

You don't have to be a scholar, nor do you have to understand all things in the Bible, but you do need to comprehend and accept that God told Daniel to "seal" the Books to humanity.  Revelation foretold that the Day (Age) would come when the Books would be unsealed and knowledge of the hidden mysteries contained in them would be revealed.  Why does man think he needs (or has the authority) to interpret every dot on every "i" in the Bible?  THIS is what has created all the schisms within Christianity, the JW's being among them.

Maybe just maybe God wanted to confuse us, and why would he do so if he wanted us to worship him in spirit and truth?

Why should worship of God depend on the interpretations of others?  Read the Holy Book and glean from it what God intends for you to know and understand.


Namaste, WC

Ye have been forbidden in the Book of God to engage in contention and conflict...
~Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2009 - 12:16AM #3
Theo
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You may have been raised by Jehovah's Witnesses, and therefore you probably know more about them than I do - but from where I stand, they are far from the most Biblically correct group of believers out there.


There are many Christian groups who believe the Bible and seek to live by the commandments of God and the teachings of the apostles. And most of them are not nearly as dogmatic about everything as Jehovah's Witnesses are. Moreover, its been my experience that the ones screaming the loudest about how faithful they are to the Bible, are actually the furthest from it. The Witnesses, for all their zeal for God and desire to obey His commandments, are part of a rationalistic movement that tends to rationalize Scripture rather than believe what it says.


My advice is this, in as much as your salvation is of great concern to you. Make your vows to God, pour out your heart, your faith and your fears to God. Ask Him to lead you, and be willing to follow where He leads.


Years ago in 1980 I was 23, fresh out of Bible College, and looking forward to getting married. But I was troubled about many of the things I had been taught, that did not seem to square with what I read in the Bible. Thus began my quest for the truth, and for the next 20 years I read and studied the Bible, Christianity and the early Church fathers... and basically re-educated myself in the process. After I wrote my own statement of faith, which admittedly was a work in progress for over 10 years, I realized that I was basically a traditional Christian with certain Evangelical / Charismatic tendencies. Thus after all my study and searching and praying... I found that the teachings of most conservative traditional Churches was very close to what I had come to believe.


Your search for truth may yield different results... after all we are both human and see through different eyes, hear through different ears and think with different brains. But I wanted to share with you my experience if by chance you are not as determined as I was to figure things out for myself. There is no need to take on the monumental task of figuring out everything for yourself. Just pray, read the Bible, believe in Jesus, and find a good Church that helps support your faith and desire to grow closer to God. Jesus will take care of the rest.


You don't need to worry about going to hell - because Jesus Christ died and gave His life to save us from our sins and redeem us to God. Trust in Christ and His ransom sacrifice. He paid the price for your soul... and there is nothing you can do to add anything to that. All you have to do to access this salvation is believe in Christ - let Him do the rest, and let Him lead and guide you in the way.


I know the Witnesses have you all nerved up and worried that if you don't get everything perfectly right you're going to perish in your sins. But friend, we are not saved by how complete or perfect we understand theology. We are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, for salvation is by grace, through faith, it is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God. Remember the story of the lost sheep? And how the good shepherd left his flock to search out the one that was lost? That is who our redeemer is - He cares for you, He's there for you, all you have to do is look up and believe.


~ Theophilus


 

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 25, 2009 - 5:29PM #4
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Have you ever heard of Satan he is the deceiver, how could he deceive all the nations without his part in the Bible, and now days it is which bible. I only read St John, Matthew, Mark, The Old Testament and Revelations of the KIng James Bible of 1611. When I was saved I never had a Bible of any kind in the house, but I had to go through the motions of wanting to be saved. www.google.com/profiles/1093441748674905...

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 25, 2009 - 5:36PM #5
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Aug 11, 2009 -- 12:16AM, Theo wrote:


You may have been raised by Jehovah's Witnesses, and therefore you probably know more about them than I do - but from where I stand, they are far from the most Biblically correct group of believers out there.


There are many Christian groups who believe the Bible and seek to live by the commandments of God and the teachings of the apostles. And most of them are not nearly as dogmatic about everything as Jehovah's Witnesses are. Moreover, its been my experience that the ones screaming the loudest about how faithful they are to the Bible, are actually the furthest from it. The Witnesses, for all their zeal for God and desire to obey His commandments, are part of a rationalistic movement that tends to rationalize Scripture rather than believe what it says.


My advice is this, in as much as your salvation is of great concern to you. Make your vows to God, pour out your heart, your faith and your fears to God. Ask Him to lead you, and be willing to follow where He leads.


Years ago in 1980 I was 23, fresh out of Bible College, and looking forward to getting married. But I was troubled about many of the things I had been taught, that did not seem to square with what I read in the Bible. Thus began my quest for the truth, and for the next 20 years I read and studied the Bible, Christianity and the early Church fathers... and basically re-educated myself in the process. After I wrote my own statement of faith, which admittedly was a work in progress for over 10 years, I realized that I was basically a traditional Christian with certain Evangelical / Charismatic tendencies. Thus after all my study and searching and praying... I found that the teachings of most conservative traditional Churches was very close to what I had come to believe.


Your search for truth may yield different results... after all we are both human and see through different eyes, hear through different ears and think with different brains. But I wanted to share with you my experience if by chance you are not as determined as I was to figure things out for myself. There is no need to take on the monumental task of figuring out everything for yourself. Just pray, read the Bible, believe in Jesus, and find a good Church that helps support your faith and desire to grow closer to God. Jesus will take care of the rest.


You don't need to worry about going to hell - because Jesus Christ died and gave His life to save us from our sins and redeem us to God. Trust in Christ and His ransom sacrifice. He paid the price for your soul... and there is nothing you can do to add anything to that. All you have to do to access this salvation is believe in Christ - let Him do the rest, and let Him lead and guide you in the way.


I know the Witnesses have you all nerved up and worried that if you don't get everything perfectly right you're going to perish in your sins. But friend, we are not saved by how complete or perfect we understand theology. We are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, for salvation is by grace, through faith, it is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God. Remember the story of the lost sheep? And how the good shepherd left his flock to search out the one that was lost? That is who our redeemer is - He cares for you, He's there for you, all you have to do is look up and believe.


~ Theophilus


 Few will find the way, how does that fit into your Divinity. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness: and all these things shall be added unto you. To be born again is physical. A link to my book is near by.




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4 years ago  ::  Aug 26, 2009 - 7:43PM #6
Theo
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Elijah - you're a nut.


~ Theophilus

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 14, 2009 - 9:28PM #7
JGL57
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Aug 26, 2009 -- 7:43PM, Theo wrote:


Elijah - you're a nut.


~ Theophilus




Yeah.  I wonder if god made him that way, or maybe it has something to do with his early environment?

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2009 - 2:35AM #8
Theo
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You tell me. As an atheist you must know everything.


~ Theophilus

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2009 - 6:47PM #9
JGL57
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Sep 16, 2009 -- 2:35AM, Theo wrote:


You tell me. As an atheist you must know everything.


~ Theophilus





Is sarcasm a traditional Christian value?   Gee - I must be more Christ-like than I had thought, because I'm quite accomplished at sarcasm. 


As a atheist, I don't know everything.  I believe it would be your imaginary god that knows everything. 


I know just enough to get by, and to be able to tell the different between imagination and myth - and something that might possibly be real.


Have a nice day.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 17, 2009 - 1:44AM #10
Theo
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Is sarcasm a traditional Christian value?


My opinion is - no. But then I don't see it as sinful being either. Elijah got a bit sarcastic at times.


~ Theophilus

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