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5 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2009 - 1:26AM #1
Shubee
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Sister White had a vision about the agonizing struggle that truly persevering believers are passing through in their spiritual journey (Early Writings pp. 269-273). It is revealed in that vision that there will be a showdown in the Seventh-day Adventist church between those who are striving to obey God and those who, because of carelessness and indifference, are drifting into impenetrable darkness.


The Counsel of The True Witness Presents Testimonies of Truth

From these facts, I believe it's obvious that there are two warring powers in the Seventh-day Adventist church and that the issue in the upcoming confrontation between them will be good versus evil. No doubt that those who practice evil will oppose evil being identified and the good will strive to exalt the standard of good and will do their best to distinguish it from evil. I hope you all know where I stand.

Here is my identification of good:

Godliness Bruises Serpents
A Moral Imperative
A Testimony For Sleepy, Ease-Loving Sentinels

Here is my identification of evil:

Threats, Intimidation and the Kingdom of God
The Spiritualism of Adventism
Adventist Pastors Strive for Character Assassination in the Church

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2009 - 10:42AM #2
andrewcyrus
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Shubee,


 


I don't recall EGW sowing seeds of dvision within the church. I do recall her expounding on the parable of wheat and the tares.


 


 


Prov 13v21 Evil pursueth sinners: but to the righteous good shall be repayed.


 


Prov 16v21An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips [there is] as a burning fire.


 


Ecc 9v3 This [is] an evil among all [things] that are done under the sun, that [there is] one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness [is] in their heart while they live, and after that [they go] to the dead.


 


Ecc 11vTherefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth [are] vanity.


Rom 3v23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


 


Luk 6v37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:


 


 


EGW has some good thoughts here in her book Thoughts from the Mount fo Blessing


"Judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts." 1 Corinthians 4:5. We cannot read the heart. Ourselves faulty, we are not qualified to sit in judgment upon others. Finite men can judge only from outward appearance. To Him alone who knows the secret springs of action, and who deals tenderly and compassionately, is it given to decide the case of every soul.


"Thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." Romans 2:1. Thus those who condemn or criticize others, proclaim themselves guilty, for they do the same things. In condemning others, they are passing sentence upon themselves, and God declares that this sentence is just. He accepts their own verdict against themselves."


www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/mb/mb6.html


 


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2009 - 12:36PM #3
Shubee
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Jun 25, 2009 -- 10:42AM, andrewcyrus wrote:


I don't recall EGW sowing seeds of dvision within the church.


"Judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts." 1 Corinthians 4:5. We cannot read the heart. Ourselves faulty, we are not qualified to sit in judgment upon others. Finite men can judge only from outward appearance. To Him alone who knows the secret springs of action, and who deals tenderly and compassionately, is it given to decide the case of every soul.


"Thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." Romans 2:1. Thus those who condemn or criticize others, proclaim themselves guilty, for they do the same things. In condemning others, they are passing sentence upon themselves, and God declares that this sentence is just. He accepts their own verdict against themselves."


www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/mb/mb6.html



Sister White believed that her own writings were divisive and that they create the attributes of Satan in those who reject them. Indeed, Sister White indicated that the shaking of the Seventh-day Adventist church would be over her straight testimonies.

To persuade yourself of this, just read the Ellen White compilations above and note in your own heart how much you truly loathe some of the ideas she taught.

"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment" (1 Corinthians 2:15).

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2009 - 9:31PM #4
andrewcyrus
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Hi Shubee,


 


In my heart I have read that good seed sowed by EGW.


 



Ellen G. White Estate



Christ's Object Lessons (1900), page 71, paragraph 2



Chapter Title: Tares



Christ's servants are grieved as they see true and false believers mingled in the church. They long to do something to cleanse the church. Like the servants of the householder, they are ready to uproot the tares. But Christ says to them, "Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest."


 


www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/cgi-bin/egw2...

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2009 - 9:39PM #5
andrewcyrus
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So uh yeah lets get back to that church purification idea...


 


What church was it that crucified Christ and had the head of  baptist on a platter?


 


We can start a real good study on purification here from that churches viewpoint.


 


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2009 - 10:21PM #6
Shubee
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Christ's servants are grieved as they see true and false believers mingled in the church. They long to do something to cleanse the church. Like the servants of the householder, they are ready to uproot the tares. But Christ says to them, "Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest." E.G.W., Christ's Object Lessons, p. 71.


This quote only proves Seventh-day Adventist hypocrisy because there are Seventh-day Adventist churches that practice Satan's methods in uprooting whomever Satan inspires them to uproot, as revealed in the opening post.


 


Jun 25, 2009 -- 9:39PM, andrewcyrus wrote:

What church was it that crucified Christ ... ?


The Seventh-day Adventist church for one.


Sister White felt it necessary to reprove Seventh-day Adventists for crucifying the Son of God afresh and putting him to open shame. See The Seventh-day Adventist Threat to Religious Liberty. If you refuse to consider Sister White's writings, then I understand perfectly. Many Seventh-day Adventist hypocrites disapprove of those testimonies.


Jun 25, 2009 -- 9:39PM, andrewcyrus wrote:

We can start a real good study on purification here from that churches viewpoint.


The Jewish-Adventist comparison has already been made. See A Profile of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2009 - 11:06PM #7
andrewcyrus
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Hi Shubee,


Yes now that you have correctly identified the church of satan as being those who attempt to purify others... tare them away from the real church.


" If you refuse to consider Sister White's writings"


 


And as we can all clearly read EGW wrtitings as I have already stated herein this topic.



Ellen G. White Estate



Christ's Object Lessons (1900), page 71, paragraph 2



Chapter Title: Tares



Christ's servants are grieved as they see true and false believers mingled in the church. They long to do something to cleanse the church. Like the servants of the householder, they are ready to uproot the tares. But Christ says to them, "Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest."


 


 http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/cgi-bin/egw2html?C=5431143&K=225430062510926050


It becomes all to clear that you are creating a labrynth of contradictions of which only you can extricate yourself from.


Seventh Day Adventists don't purify others - that process of sanctifcation is entirely between the believer and Jesus via the intervention of the Holy Spirit.


 


 


 


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 26, 2009 - 12:08AM #8
Shubee
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Jun 25, 2009 -- 11:06PM, andrewcyrus wrote:

And as we can all clearly read EGW wrtitings as I have already stated herein this topic.


Christ's servants are grieved as they see true and false believers mingled in the church. They long to do something to cleanse the church. Like the servants of the householder, they are ready to uproot the tares. But Christ says to them, "Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest." E.G.W., Christ's Object Lessons, p. 71.


It becomes all to clear that you are creating a labrynth of contradictions of which only you can extricate yourself from.


Are you admitting your shameful ignorance and inability to reconcile Christ's Object Lessons with the following Spirit of prophecy testimonies?


"God calls His people to elevate the standard. The church must show their zeal for God in dealing with those who have, while professing great faith, been putting Christ to open shame. They have imperiled the truth. They have been unfaithful sentinels. They have brought reproach and dishonor upon the cause of God. The time has come for earnest and powerful efforts to rid the church of the slime and filth which is tarnishing her purity. The church of Christ is called to be a holy, powerful people, a name and praise in all the earth." TM 450.

"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. ... We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird; and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil?" 21MR 380.


Jun 25, 2009 -- 11:06PM, andrewcyrus wrote:

Seventh Day Adventists don't purify others


There is no doubt that Seventh-day Adventists are fulfilling Sister White's prophecy about our church becoming medieval in its thinking and in adopting popish actions against those who speak the truth. See The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jun 26, 2009 - 6:38AM #9
RayGarton
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Purification?  I hope that includes fumigation.

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
-- Steve Weinberg
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5 years ago  ::  Jun 26, 2009 - 10:47AM #10
andrewcyrus
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Hi Ray Shubee,


 


"There is no doubt that Seventh-day Adventists are fulfilling Sister White's prophecy about our church becoming medieval in its thinking and in adopting popish actions against those who speak the truth. See The Seven Faces of Seventh-day Adventism."


 SDA's expose the medieval churches.


Like all churches, SDA's included they are infiltrated with the seed of division call em tares that sprout up that think they are God and go on witch hunts. The church that encourages this divisive opposition has oaths taken in satanic strongholds  - churches of satan, jesuit secret orders. It's nothing new under the sun.  Jesus and SDA's founded on God's word don't have a problem identifying them and loving them back into the house hold of hope. The labrynth OF division and deception that they create has no power in God's word. God's word exposes, purifies and redeems.


Their words create deceit, division and bitterness. 


 


Only God in his coming judgment will separate the church.



Ellen G. White Estate



Christ's Object Lessons (1900), page 71, paragraph 3



Chapter Title: Tares



Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church, but He has not committed to us the work of judging character and motive. He knows our nature too well to entrust this work to us. Should we try to uproot from the church those whom we suppose to be spurious Christians, we should be sure to make mistakes. Often we regard as hopeless subjects the very ones whom Christ is drawing to Himself. Were we to deal with these souls according to our imperfect judgment, it would perhaps extinguish their last hope. Many who think themselves Christians will at last be found wanting. Many will be in heaven who their neighbors supposed would never enter there. Man judges from appearance, but God judges the heart. The tares and the wheat are to grow together until the harvest; and the harvest is the end of probationary time.


  


 


 


  

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