River, I am sure the Pagans are just as bewildered as you are

And I am sure that this Jesus story has been quite mangled even from the original Pagan.

Jul 2, 2009 -- 9:55AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Jul 1, 2009 -- 11:18PM, Ben Masada wrote:

Jun 30, 2009 -- 12:04PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Oy! How do you respond to ravings and utter nonsense?

 

With evidences that Jesus could have been at least a Messianic leader.

But Jesus is a fictional creation of the Christian mind. Actually he is multiple fictional creations, one for each of the gospels. There is no way to rationally make the gospels jive with each other nor is there a way to make Jesus into a messianic figure.  Under all criteria Jesus fails the messiah test. It makes me wonder why the pagans bothered making up the story.

Your strategy to fight Christianity by erasing Jesus out of History won't work anymore. Considering the proportion Christianity has reached, the only way to fight it is by assuming that Jesus really existed.

"The Prophet Like Moses    (Ben Masada)

I copied and pasted what you originally wrote in the opening sentence of your opening post on this thread 2 weeks ago because it was confusing.   If it's slightly different now, it's because you have edited and changed it since I copied and posted it a few days ago.   Anyone can edit and change their post anytime. 

Two weeks ago, June 22, you originally wrote "So you have responded to the prophet Moses?"  That's what you wrote and that's what I copied and pasted.  I answered you a few days ago. (JULY 1 and 2)

(July 1 - Post 5)  "Is there more to this thread?   The opening post is responding to a ghost?  Where is the beginning?"  

(July 2 Post 12)  "So you have responded to the prophet Moses?"  Who has responded to the prophet Moses?  Who are you answering?    I don't get it.  Oh well.

Now it reads:   "So you have found the prophet like Moses."   I copied and pasted your first post, (June 22)  as it originally was written, but since then you have apparently edited it and changed it. 

Later in the same first post, you wrote:

I hate to rain on your parade, but all have tried to fit their Messiah according to the Scriptures and have failed. Do you know why? Because the common basis of them all is assumption including yours.

Once again.  Who is all, who is you, who is yours ?????  I still don't know who the  "YOU or YOURS  is referring to.   Who are you answering?  Who are you talking to?   Whatever ..........  I don't really care.  I had forgotten it. 

Ben Masada;

I was reading at the Xtian forum off and on for the past couple days, as I rarely go there considering some of the poster's beliefs are so far out as to be proposterous and ludicrous.   Nevertheless, I did notice this morning that you started a post there.  The post was about Josephus and whether the few remarks he supposedly made about Jesus were true or not.

I don't know much about you, so I went to check your profile and much to my surprise found my photo there as the one friend on your profile.

I don't know why my photo is on your profile. I remember your posting here and I never knew if you were a MJ or a real Jew, something else.  You seemed to go in different ways, if I recall. You mention nothing about yourself on your profile and I don't usually make friends with people who refuse to tell us who they are and where they stand, and then write all sorts of gibberish from all different sides.

As to your statements on the Xtian forum, a forum  7/29/09 about Josephus, once again, I didn't know where you were coming from.  This because many of your statements at MJ were also confusing. In any case, I didn't agree with what you wrote.

Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus.

Although many scholars think that Josephus' short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities) came from interpolations probably perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus' birth in 37 C.E., well after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus, puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. In addition, Josephus is not considered a reputable historian. His remarks about Masada are highly questionable.

Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore, even if his accounts about Jesus came from his hand, his information could only serve as hearsay.

As to the what you're writing about on this thread, I won't bother to answer you because I'm not sure what you're talking about.

MaineCapt.

Hi! Yes, I'm quite sure many pagans are just as bewildered as I am.  It's very hard to believe in this day and age that people read the bible as they do.