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9 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 1:54PM #11
Green.is.my.favorite.color
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I mean neither of those things, John.


I am bothered by the intersection of commercialism and spirituality. All other intents aside.

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 2:20PM #12
Stardove
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 1:54PM, Green.is.my.favorite.color wrote:


I mean neither of those things, John.


I am bothered by the intersection of commercialism and spirituality. All other intents aside.



Are you also bothered by this site?  Advertisements are all over the place.  Not being home on my own computer I feel I am in pop-up city today.


Books on Spirituality and religions fill sections of book stores and libraries.

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People change for two main reasons: either their minds have been opened or their hearts have been broken.
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9 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 2:22PM #13
shirleyj227
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I would believe it if the Kid would say" I was a complet A**hole and shoot down two of my friends by mistake.


 


Now we are talking.


 

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 2:40PM #14
DotNotInOz
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Agnostic Spirit remarks in part: 

How many of us have heard the tale of someone who claimed to have once been a beautiful, wealthy,  Egyptian princess? They're never Egyptian slaves..... or poor, ugly nameless Egyptians.... they're always rich, famous, gorgeous.... how many "past life experiences" are merely a projection of what we wish for in THIS life.



Only the ill-informed debunker of reincarnation claims that "they're always rich, famous, gorgeous..." Anyone who's done a modicum of research in the field of past-life recall or regression knows that very few people claim to have been anyone remotely famous, much less Cleopatra or Napoleon, the two names most commonly mentioned with this claim about past-life recall.


You might find Dr. Helen Wambach's book, Reliving Past Lives, interesting in this regard. It's out of  print but you'll find copies available through most of the online used book services. I got a nice little hardbound for only a dollar a year or two ago.


Wambach was an initially skeptical psychologist who set out to find out if those recalling past lives recalled consistent with known demographics of the locations and time periods where the claimed past lives occurred.


She found that only about 10% of her slightly over 1000 test subjects even reported past lives as upper class people, almost entirely consistent with data for the various time periods she selected to examine. She did discover a few anachronisms such as the subject who saw himself playing the piano in a time period before it was invented. Wambach reports that she did not include any data from such flawed recollections in her compilation. 


So, no, people recalling past lives are not "always" rich, famous and gorgeous. In fact, Wambach reasonably concludes that Thoreau's famous saying about leading lives of quiet desperation far more accurately reflects the data she compiled.


I respectfully suggest you do some investigation before alluding to this common belief...which is decidedly not true.

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 2:54PM #15
shirleyj227
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 2:40PM, DotNotInOz wrote:


Agnostic Spirit remarks in part: 

How many of us have heard the tale of someone who claimed to have once been a beautiful, wealthy,  Egyptian princess? They're never Egyptian slaves..... or poor, ugly nameless Egyptians.... they're always rich, famous, gorgeous.... how many "past life experiences" are merely a projection of what we wish for in THIS life.



Only the ill-informed debunker of reincarnation claims that "they're always rich, famous, gorgeous..." Anyone who's done a modicum of research in the field of past-life recall or regression knows that very few people claim to have been anyone remotely famous, much less Cleopatra or Napoleon, the two names most commonly mentioned with this claim about past-life recall.


You might find Dr. Helen Wambach's book, Reliving Past Lives, interesting in this regard. It's out of  print but you'll find copies available through most of the online used book services. I got a nice little hardbound for only a dollar a year or two ago.


Wambach was an initially skeptical psychologist who set out to find out if those recalling past lives recalled consistent with known demographics of the locations and time periods where the claimed past lives occurred.


She found that only about 10% of her slightly over 1000 test subjects even reported past lives as upper class people, almost entirely consistent with data for the various time periods she selected to examine. She did discover a few anachronisms such as the subject who saw himself playing the piano in a time period before it was invented. Wambach reports that she did not include any data from such flawed recollections in her compilation. 


So, no, people recalling past lives are not "always" rich, famous and gorgeous. In fact, Wambach reasonably concludes that Thoreau's famous saying about leading lives of quiet desperation far more accurately reflects the data she compiled.


I respectfully suggest you do some investigation before alluding to this common belief...which is decidedly not true.




Dot what is the point of knowing about a past life?

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 2:58PM #16
Green.is.my.favorite.color
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I understand that Beliefnet is possible because of its advertisers. And, no, I am not bothered with that.


I am bothered by the mother and father taking a child's spiritual experience and profiting by it.


This is all I'm saying.


All other intents you perceive me to have are not mine.


 


 

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 3:08PM #17
Stardove
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 2:58PM, Green.is.my.favorite.color wrote:


I understand that Beliefnet is possible because of its advertisers. And, no, I am not bothered with that.


I am bothered by the mother and father taking a child's spiritual experience and profiting by it.


This is all I'm saying.


All other intents you perceive me to have are not mine.




Thanks for the response.  I did not understand what you were saying.  The son no longer remembers his past life.

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2009 - 8:43AM #18
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green,


Is it the possibility of profit which you find objectionable?  I am not aware that the parents have made $$$$ from their kid:  so many expenses would be deductible, and I happen to consider writing a book legitimate work, something worthy of pay.


So, do you find children helping their elderly parents objectionable also?


By the way, couldn't all children's "talents" be attributed to past lives?  What force do you consider responsible for making each of us different in so many ways?

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2009 - 12:25PM #19
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 2:40PM, DotNotInOz wrote:


I respectfully suggest you do some investigation before alluding to this common belief...which is decidedly not true.



I respectfully suggest you take CONTEXT into consideration before before getting worked up into such righteous indignation....... I'm an equal opportunity skeptic rather dismissive of ALL these phenomena, including the apparently "sacred cow" that is reincarnation.... Smile


Of course, you're free to believe as you wish.... but when experiences are based only on anecdote, and given that there are certainly channelers, spiritual mediums, etc. etc. that have proven to be FRAUDS, I'll stick with my raised eyebrow and skepticism, thank you very much.

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9 years ago  ::  Jun 11, 2009 - 6:00PM #20
DotNotInOz
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 2:54PM, shirleyj227 wrote:


Dot what is the point of knowing about a past life?




Personally, I find what I believe to have been my own past lives to provide helpful information that enables me to work to overcome weaknesses in this lifetime.


That said, I'm not entirely sure that reincarnation is factual. I tend to think it might be, but even if what I've experienced is only "useful fantasy," that what I've experienced has been useful and helpful is significant to me.

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