Val wrote: Which laws are being kept? Unchanged by mens traditions?<<<<<<<<<

Andy Responded: REV 11V19"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

 The ten commandments are the testament placed in the ark.

The great thing about SDA's is they aren't tossed about by the whims or doctrines of men.

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 Jargon replied: can you explain ANY of what u just wrote...by explain i mean, can you give a reasonable explanation without resorting to biblical or e.g. white quotes, and without using bizarre sda prophecies...just standard english...fd<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

That was standard English. It seems you want us to explain our "Fundamental Beliefs" by referring to the "Farmer's Almanac" or some such publication. Possibly that will explain your "beliefs".  We prefer that which the LORD GOD recommended----The Bible.

It is not the laws that we should be focusing on. If you focus on the laws you're destined to fail. The 10 laws Jesus gave on Sinai were basically His character. It is who God is. The Sabbath was given to us so that we could keep our focus on God without worrying about secular things one day out of the week. It was the day He made holy. The only way you will ever follow any of these laws is if you stop focusing on them, and put your focus on Jesus. He then cleanses you of this world. These "laws" are no longer a burden because "I delight to do Your will, O my God. And Your law is within my heart" It then becomes natural for us to follow Him, and not this world.

If you belong to this world, you will dwell on things of this world. Start putting your thoughts to the Kingdom of God.

The 10 commandments weren't abolished. If they were it would be ok for me to go around on a killing spree, and God wouldn't care.

Even Jesus spoke of an event that would take place 40 years after His death. "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath." -Matthew 24:20

Mar 30, 2009 -- 8:29PM, VG59 wrote:

Andrew are not also in the ark of the covenant all of the laws that God dictated to Moses? 

Deut 31: 26 is one reference to laws that God dictated to Moses that are in the ark.

Discerner: Val, the two tablets of stone, on which God wrote the Ten Commandments, were placed INSIDE the ark per God's instructions. This is recounted by Moses in Deuteronomy 10:4 and 5, which say, Vs 4 "And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me. Vs 5 - And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me." .

Then Moses recounts all of the instructions given to him by God that pertained to the statutes, laws and judgments for the Jews in most of the chapters of Deuteronomy up until Deuteronomy 31. Verses 24-26, provide for the disposition of the law of Moses. They say, "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, Vs 25 - That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Vs 26 - Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee." Moses wrote these laws, most likely on a scroll, and instructed them to place it in the side, or beside, the ark. Why were they placed beside the ark? In Deuteronomy 31:9-11, it tells us that God instructed Moses that after he had finished writing the laws, etc., that they would be read to the people every seven years at the feast of tabernacles. As you know, no one was allowed to touch the ark, that is the reason that the laws that Moses wrote were placed 'beside' the ark.

I hope this answers your question.

God bless!

Discerner

Lutz wrote:  My faith is in Christ, not the church. However, I enjoy the fellowship with my fellow brothers and sisters. Even if we do not agree on everything.

That's great, glad to hear it.  Just don't step out of line, though, or that'll change awfully fast.

Mar 30, 2009 -- 8:29PM, VG59 wrote:

Andrew are not also in the ark of the covenant all of the laws that God dictated to Moses? 

Deut 31: 26 is one reference to laws that God dictated to Moses that are in the ark.

Val, Deut,31:26, refers to those things(cursings and Blessings----Chap. 27-31) which which Moses wrote just before the Children of Israel crossed the Jordan after 40 years of wandering.  They were not put "within", but "beside" the Ark.  Check the "blueletterbible" concerning "in the side" as used.